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Oct 28, 2006 7:15:18 GMT -5
Post by Enchant on Oct 28, 2006 7:15:18 GMT -5
I was watching the Opera show and she had Bill OReilly on, and he was talking about how the media has become "BAD"... he says that rap is a gangsta's music and promotes drugs and killing and that movies have become bad too, what was once a good horror film has turned into chainsaw gore...He stated in no particular words, that we have taken our freedoms and have run amock ...do you agree with this?
I can't help but kina understand what he is referring to, while, I appreciate the peoples right to choose, I to think it is a bit much.Everything now is sex, drugs and gore...and there seems to be no clean and innocent intertainment...Do you think this is becuase society as a whole just became bored with the cleaner aspects? Or do you think that people just got more daring with the first ammendment and ran amok with it?
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Oct 28, 2006 8:13:00 GMT -5
Post by Shooshoo on Oct 28, 2006 8:13:00 GMT -5
I kind of agree too Enchant, why cant we adults have a movie with out gratuitous swearing, OTT violence and unnecessary sex scenes, I'm no prude and I love my "shoot em out, blow em up" movies but some today are just full of extream versions of the worst traits of society, just because it happens in real life doesn't mean we have to have it shoved in our faces on TV or the big screen
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"BAD"
Oct 28, 2006 14:29:32 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Oct 28, 2006 14:29:32 GMT -5
I don't think the worlds ever been Angelic. I also once again go to if you don't like that program don't watch it. Don't pay for it. Yeah I know his "views" on Rap. LMAO. "Their Masters". You have to go after "Their Masters".
Deadwood and Nip/tuck, the shield are shows out there and not meant for everyone. At tiems yeah there are films and shows and music that is a bit much. But, I know though that when I go see a Scorcesse R rated movie..I'm going to get a LOT of F-bomb's. When it comes to Quienten I know I'm getting alot of language and violence.
What I'm saying though is this. When it comes to all those "bad" movies. Those guys have a history already set. So it's not like you can totally play dumb and say "oh I didn't know".
Oh and the MPAA isn't exactly like it's your best friend. To prove a point...TV ratings are a bit harsher then MPAA ratings. MPAA rates movies. And there for the studio's the big one's.
Oh and when it comes to the "BAD" it's bad no matter what. Some of those shows and movies I think while yeah they show things and they are about things it's for a true reason. Soem of Scorcesses's movies are violent and heavy on language. But, that is what these guys are! Gangster's are BAD people! These guys arn't the candy store owner.
I differ but I differ in alot of ways and things with Bill.
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"BAD"
Oct 30, 2006 10:21:46 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Oct 30, 2006 10:21:46 GMT -5
Aaron, its not about nip/tuck or the shield, its about television in general. You keep switcing the general topics to a particular case, but that changes the perspective. I think TV and movies are getting worse and worse, its been two months since I found a good film (it was the greatest game ever played) and once I did find one, you stand back and say "why did it take so long? isnt there supposed to be films without sex and gore?"
Makes you think.
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"BAD"
Oct 31, 2006 16:36:17 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Oct 31, 2006 16:36:17 GMT -5
Aaron, its not about nip/tuck or the shield, its about television in general. You keep switcing the general topics to a particular case, but that changes the perspective. I think TV and movies are getting worse and worse, its been two months since I found a good film (it was the greatest game ever played) and once I did find one, you stand back and say "why did it take so long? isnt there supposed to be films without sex and gore?" Makes you think. Shame saw one the other day on IFC . But it is. He attackes the rapper's and the musician's and the tv shows and all that stuff. I know EXACTLY what Bill O' Reilly goes after and what he means by his "Culture Wars". I know exactly. I'm not that dumb. I actually sit in front of the tv and actually watch his show at times. I know what he says and where he stands and I know what "BAD" means by Cultures. So I'm sorry but I'm not reaching. Basically he's for those that are for 1950's. I'm for the year 2006.
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"BAD"
Oct 31, 2006 17:09:22 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Oct 31, 2006 17:09:22 GMT -5
Im for a better future for this country, not one that has sex parties all the time and enjoys violence. thats not 'the 1950's', thats being hopeful about the future. If this society was left up to you, youd have all the kids gay, or bi, or alternative world crap, youd make sure the only government would be the one which benefits you most, not one that benefits all and youd make sure that HBO was offered free to anybody who can use a phone. (yep im ranting)
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"BAD"
Oct 31, 2006 17:15:12 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Oct 31, 2006 17:15:12 GMT -5
Im for a better future for this country, not one that has sex parties all the time and enjoys violence. thats not 'the 1950's', thats being hopeful about the future. If this society was left up to you, youd have all the kids gay, or bi, or alternative world crap, youd make sure the only government would be the one which benefits you most, not one that benefits all and youd make sure that HBO was offered free to anybody who can use a phone. (yep im ranting) You know what is shocking. My 70 something year old Roomie from the 1950's sounds a LOT like you! My god. Keep the people we don't like away from us..and contained. Make sure they ain't humans..nor citizens. Oh, and don't give them that right to view what they want to view. They to stupid..and they NEED US to decide for them. I want people to have the power to make up there own minds. Yes, I do enjoy my adult shows VERY much. But, unlike you I'm 21. I'm an adult and I can watch them all I want and should be able to watch them. You'r still a teenager . There for should be up to your parents. And, no one can make sure a parent actually parents . And, you can't dictate the moral's of others. Your side is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo worried about other people's morality. Should you be concerned about your own?
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Oct 31, 2006 20:36:27 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Oct 31, 2006 20:36:27 GMT -5
Well played Aaron, why dont you go watch barely legal coeds before the bad little teenager affects your morals.
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"BAD"
Nov 1, 2006 18:30:57 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Nov 1, 2006 18:30:57 GMT -5
Well played Aaron, why dont you go watch barely legal coeds before the bad little teenager affects your morals. LMFAO. You honestly think you'r what? Bringing Christ here? To me? Ohhhh nooo let me run!!! let me run!!! lmao. Since I'm with giving people the choice of either having it on there tv or in the theatres Volt you shudder. You shudder with horror. Because, you'r side WANTS it Gone. And, won't stop till that happens.
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Nov 1, 2006 22:31:26 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Nov 1, 2006 22:31:26 GMT -5
Whats a porno got to teach society? Now a good horror film is great on dark nights, especially with friends. But whats a movie where theres nothing but sex and gore around every corner, got to teach anyone? How to better kill someone? How to be real raunchy and get away with pg-13? I love plots, stories, things where talented people act out an Authors intentions. The movies being cranked out today have no message, they have no communication. Its only about death and sex.
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"BAD"
Nov 2, 2006 16:46:26 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Nov 2, 2006 16:46:26 GMT -5
Whats a porno got to teach society? Now a good horror film is great on dark nights, especially with friends. But whats a movie where theres nothing but sex and gore around every corner, got to teach anyone? How to better kill someone? How to be real raunchy and get away with pg-13? I love plots, stories, things where talented people act out an Authors intentions. The movies being cranked out today have no message, they have no communication. Its only about death and sex. Blame the MPAA for the ratings. And if it's a main or attached to a main studio. then that is there doing. MPAA always gives them alittle bit more. Although I haven't really seen a horror film that was PG-13 that was really scary or gory but -shrugs- whatever. In your estimation yes they are about death and sex. I'd like to think Saw has alot of things going for itself more then just death and sex. The very scaryness of that movie is in that it could be real. The idea that some serial killer getting off on doing in people like that..... that and he's playing the Judge, and Jury to people and people who have kinda sinned and such. He's there to play the keeper to a "God" like person. It's the same thing you could say when it comes to David Fincher's Seven. Those two are both giving out judgments on people.
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"BAD"
Nov 2, 2006 16:56:05 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Nov 2, 2006 16:56:05 GMT -5
I just know that television and movies have made some good stories, talented authors making philisophically challenging plotlines, and as of 2000 some kick butt graphic effects. But these gore movies dont seem to do it for me. In my sole opinon, thrilled movies are a waste of time unless your looking for the thrill.
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"BAD"
Nov 2, 2006 17:43:41 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Nov 2, 2006 17:43:41 GMT -5
If you haven't should check out SAW and Seven. Definetly Seven. It's not really gorey at all. It's all mental play really. The more violent film's Saw. But, Seven comes into the idea that he's more of a judge and jury member and such.
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