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Iran
Sept 29, 2006 17:51:09 GMT -5
Post by zionofficer on Sept 29, 2006 17:51:09 GMT -5
Should Iran be next on the USA's hit list? Should Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons? Is Osama bin Laden in Iran? What are your oppinions on the subject?
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Iran
Sept 29, 2006 18:29:09 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Sept 29, 2006 18:29:09 GMT -5
ehhhhh we have Russia who still has nukes and we have nukes pointed at them. Although the same goes for themselves. They have nukes pointed to us. So why not add another country to the list because it's not like anyone else is going to disarm.
Osama could be anywhere. He could be anywhere in the middle east. we won't know unless we REALLY go after him.
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Iran
Sept 29, 2006 20:02:45 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Sept 29, 2006 20:02:45 GMT -5
I dont know about Iran, i mean if we invaded a country because we raised our eyebrows hatd be a lot of invasions, but look at korea, they keep screaing we have nukes with no action. When we have proof of solid planning to attack or an attack (i hope not) the american people will be ready to fight.
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Iran
Sept 29, 2006 22:01:04 GMT -5
Post by zionofficer on Sept 29, 2006 22:01:04 GMT -5
I dont know about Iran, i mean if we invaded a country because we raised our eyebrows hatd be a lot of invasions, but look at korea, they keep screaing we have nukes with no action. When we have proof of solid planning to attack or an attack (i hope not) the american people will be ready to fight. We really don't have evidence of any ties between Kim Jung-il and terrorists, but everyone knows Hezbollah is Iran's proxy..
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Iran
Sept 30, 2006 7:11:54 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Sept 30, 2006 7:11:54 GMT -5
Right now, Hezbollah isnt our war, the Israelis appear to be doing fine and its our mdia's jarbled nonsense that makes us think they are losin or slaughtering lebamnon or whatever. Terrorists frequently fight unfairly, which is why they are tough to take down. I mean if you wanna sink low enough to be strapping bombs on dead bodies, you might as well grab a lebanese citizen and shoot from behind them. Iran has not show any large amount of evidence, and almost every one of those countries has a nuclear program, we just watch the ones who are more likely to blow up buildings.
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Iran
Sept 30, 2006 13:42:45 GMT -5
Post by zionofficer on Sept 30, 2006 13:42:45 GMT -5
North Korea hasn't blown anything up for a little over 50 years. But Iran just started a war with Israel using Hezbollah. I think Iran is itching for real war with Israel, which is why they continure enriching uranium. I think they want it so they can threaten Israel. Plus we would end up in a big nuclear standoff with Iran in the middle east, meaning it would almost limit what we could do in the war on terror, since Iran could threaten us. A full on war with Iran would probably be very costly, and I think that is another thing we want to avoid. Also, if we do allow them to gain knowlege of the secrets of nuclear power, if we ever did go to war with them, we run the risk of American cities being blown up. I do not thing we should go to war with Iran, just that we should bomb their nuclear facilities. But it is still risky, because it could spark a really big war. It's kind of scary.
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Iran
Sept 30, 2006 14:37:51 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Sept 30, 2006 14:37:51 GMT -5
Most people in the middle east have now seen the USA in action, and i have to say not a whole lot of them are going to jump at the opportunity of attempting to destroy more U.S buildings, and as i said, when Iran wants to make the nuclear threat we will be there creating another cold war.
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Iran
Sept 30, 2006 15:28:04 GMT -5
Post by zionofficer on Sept 30, 2006 15:28:04 GMT -5
Believe me, think of five or more Hurikane Katrinas happening simultaneously spread out accross the nation. That would be the impact of nuclear bombs on our soil. Not only would we be facing a huge economic, and humanitarian crisis, but there would also be the spread of radiation to neighboring cities, and maybe even other states. Almost instantly, we would be brought to our knees, no longer able to fight terrorism, we would be tied up here at home and there would be mass confusion, chaos and anarchy. Plus there would be the threat of more nuclear attacks on our soil if we retaliated. I think that is why we are afraid of Iran having nuclear weapons.
Plus, terrorist organizations, such as al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Global Islamic Jihad, etc. would rally to the support of Iran. That is were Iran is more of a threat then North Korea. North Korea is communist, and therefore is godless. Islamic terrorists would feel no need to help them. In fact, Islamic extremists hate communists. Think about the Soviet-Afghan war of the 1980s.
And we aren't talking about a threat of nuclear missiles or bombs dropped from planes, but probably briefcase sized nukes. Think of in a city like Los Angeles or New York, it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I'm sure many islamic terrorists would jump all over that chance, because that is alot more difficult to counter.
That's not to mention how bad it would be for Israel. Five nukes and Israel would be gone.
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Iran
Oct 1, 2006 21:13:22 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Oct 1, 2006 21:13:22 GMT -5
Iran and the rest of the middle east now knows not to underestimate the U.S.A, sure they might squeeze off a nuke which would get blown away over the ocean before it hit us, then theyd have to sit there and face the real power of our technology. W would unleash a war like never seen before, literally wiping the middle east clean of Alqauida, and we would most likely nuke Iran. Were not usually the first strikers, but we can finish this if it starts. The thing about nuclar war is, nobody wants to try it first. Once the radiation is released it cannot be reversed.
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Iran
Oct 2, 2006 12:37:07 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Oct 2, 2006 12:37:07 GMT -5
My god. You know as of late you'r really gung-ho when it comes to death and war and the middle east. Do you just sit around your tv drooling when you see the Iraqies and such dieing and all? I can picture that easily.
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Iran
Oct 2, 2006 16:11:37 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Oct 2, 2006 16:11:37 GMT -5
My brothers in the Army, hes gonna get shipped to Iraq. Im not gung-ho about death or destruction. Have you forgotten September 11th? Have you really forgotten? Its one thing to attack a U.s embassy. Its one thing to attack an allie of the U.S. Its a whole nother ball game to come onto our soil (or airspace) and wipe out a couple of our buildings and kill citizens. That is uncalled for and thats why we have invaded Iraq and wiped out quite a few terrorist cells.
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Iran
Oct 2, 2006 18:10:44 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Oct 2, 2006 18:10:44 GMT -5
My brothers in the Army, hes gonna get shipped to Iraq. Im not gung-ho about death or destruction. Have you forgotten September 11th? Have you really forgotten? Its one thing to attack a U.s embassy. Its one thing to attack an allie of the U.S. Its a whole nother ball game to come onto our soil (or airspace) and wipe out a couple of our buildings and kill citizens. That is uncalled for and thats why we have invaded Iraq and wiped out quite a few terrorist cells. You clump people up into groups Volt. You do that so you can understand it and make it better. Because, you sleep better knowing that ALL Islamic people hate your guts and want you dead. Because, God forbid that their is an actually GOOD Islamic that doesn't want you dead. IT's the same when it comes to homosexuals. You clump people into groups. Right and Wrong....good and Evil. Well I'm sorry Volt but there is no such thing as white and black. There is a LOT of grey. And the Iraq war is FULL of grey. But, that is the thing I don't see Iraq the same as AFghanistan. Dont sit there and ask have I forgotten. I know two lil amazing girl's daddy that will be in this conflicat and was. He was in the attack of Iraq AND Afghanistan. We thought he was dead there for 2 weeks. I thought I lost actually 2 other friends as well. So while it's your bother it's My uncle and 3 other friends that are in the service. He was in Bosnia and actually saw the gasing chamber's and all that on how they exterminated a race. He saw all of that. But, yeah I know.. I know..I'm in the wrong because I'm underminning the service. Is ay that you seem to love War and Violence because you'r so gung-ho on it. All you do when it comes to Islamic people is lump them all into a group. You honestly think that ALL Christian's think that Islamic people are bad? Do you? I wouldn't be shocked. Or. you thinking that "Any Good Christian will think like that".
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Iran
Oct 2, 2006 18:26:20 GMT -5
Post by zionofficer on Oct 2, 2006 18:26:20 GMT -5
Iran and the rest of the middle east now knows not to underestimate the U.S.A, sure they might squeeze off a nuke which would get blown away over the ocean before it hit us, then theyd have to sit there and face the real power of our technology. That might be the case for North Korea, but a terrorist group is not going to shoot a nuclear missile at America. If anything they are going to minaturize it and put it in a briefcase, then use it. W would unleash a war like never seen before, literally wiping the middle east clean of Alqauida Is that not what the war on terror is suppost to be about? and we would most likely nuke Iran. Were not usually the first strikers, but we can finish this if it starts. The thing about nuclar war is, nobody wants to try it first. Once the radiation is released it cannot be reversed. If Iran used nuclear weapons on us, there is not doubt Bush would use nukes on Iran. That is what makes him a good president is that he doesn't give in to terrorism, on any scale. I think nobody would want to have to use nuclear weapons first, but if there is inevitably going to be a nuclear war, the side that shoots first has the advantage. Also, i'm sure al Qaeda, or Hizb'allah would jump on the chance to use nuclear weapons on the USA first. The thing is, if we responded with nuclear weapons, they would just say that the US is trying to destroy Islam and that muslims are being oppressed, and spread more anti-American sentiment.
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Iran
Oct 2, 2006 22:31:37 GMT -5
Post by voltage on Oct 2, 2006 22:31:37 GMT -5
My brothers in the Army, hes gonna get shipped to Iraq. Im not gung-ho about death or destruction. Have you forgotten September 11th? Have you really forgotten? Its one thing to attack a U.s embassy. Its one thing to attack an allie of the U.S. Its a whole nother ball game to come onto our soil (or airspace) and wipe out a couple of our buildings and kill citizens. That is uncalled for and thats why we have invaded Iraq and wiped out quite a few terrorist cells. You clump people up into groups Volt. You do that so you can understand it and make it better. Because, you sleep better knowing that ALL Islamic people hate your guts and want you dead. Because, God forbid that their is an actually GOOD Islamic that doesn't want you dead. IT's the same when it comes to homosexuals. You clump people into groups. Right and Wrong....good and Evil. Well I'm sorry Volt but there is no such thing as white and black. There is a LOT of grey. And the Iraq war is FULL of grey. But, that is the thing I don't see Iraq the same as AFghanistan. Dont sit there and ask have I forgotten. I know two lil amazing girl's daddy that will be in this conflicat and was. He was in the attack of Iraq AND Afghanistan. We thought he was dead there for 2 weeks. I thought I lost actually 2 other friends as well. So while it's your bother it's My uncle and 3 other friends that are in the service. He was in Bosnia and actually saw the gasing chamber's and all that on how they exterminated a race. He saw all of that. But, yeah I know.. I know..I'm in the wrong because I'm underminning the service. Is ay that you seem to love War and Violence because you'r so gung-ho on it. All you do when it comes to Islamic people is lump them all into a group. You honestly think that ALL Christian's think that Islamic people are bad? Do you? I wouldn't be shocked. Or. you thinking that "Any Good Christian will think like that". Give me an example of grey. Im talking about extremists here, not all of Islam. You seem to forget me saying that. And yes homosexuals are put into a group since they are homosexuals. Something that is specifically set out in the bible as sin is not something im going to grey. As for right and wrong and good and evil. They are black and whites. Lets face it, a 5 year old thinks that hitting his sister is the right thing to do because he thinks shes ugly. By your definition thats grey. Its right and wrong. After all we should trust ourselves to our own judgment since we do know all. mmm mmm smell that humanism! War and Violence? no im not a war monger. IM getting tired of all this political crap. Ill be happy as a clown without it. But i dont like people who warp their own religions, fly a plane into the country and kill people. Thats not one of those war mognering things. Thats anger. Youd rather sit down with the terrorist who planned that and say "Now now, why did you do that? can we get you a soda?" unfortunatly these terrorists have shown wonderful diplomatic skills. Its called a car bomb. Everybody knows some whos been in Iraq got killed in Iraq or is going to Iraq. Theres two things you can do, cry about it or support it. Contrary to the media, not every soldier is a mess. They are patriots, and they dont like coming home to here people scream that they are fighting for nothing. Thats where I stand. If you met me youd be suprised Aaron.
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Iran
Oct 3, 2006 3:52:57 GMT -5
Post by Aaron on Oct 3, 2006 3:52:57 GMT -5
You clump people up into groups Volt. You do that so you can understand it and make it better. Because, you sleep better knowing that ALL Islamic people hate your guts and want you dead. Because, God forbid that their is an actually GOOD Islamic that doesn't want you dead. IT's the same when it comes to homosexuals. You clump people into groups. Right and Wrong....good and Evil. Well I'm sorry Volt but there is no such thing as white and black. There is a LOT of grey. And the Iraq war is FULL of grey. But, that is the thing I don't see Iraq the same as AFghanistan. Dont sit there and ask have I forgotten. I know two lil amazing girl's daddy that will be in this conflicat and was. He was in the attack of Iraq AND Afghanistan. We thought he was dead there for 2 weeks. I thought I lost actually 2 other friends as well. So while it's your bother it's My uncle and 3 other friends that are in the service. He was in Bosnia and actually saw the gasing chamber's and all that on how they exterminated a race. He saw all of that. But, yeah I know.. I know..I'm in the wrong because I'm underminning the service. Is ay that you seem to love War and Violence because you'r so gung-ho on it. All you do when it comes to Islamic people is lump them all into a group. You honestly think that ALL Christian's think that Islamic people are bad? Do you? I wouldn't be shocked. Or. you thinking that "Any Good Christian will think like that". Give me an example of grey. Im talking about extremists here, not all of Islam. You seem to forget me saying that. And yes homosexuals are put into a group since they are homosexuals. Something that is specifically set out in the bible as sin is not something im going to grey. As for right and wrong and good and evil. They are black and whites. Lets face it, a 5 year old thinks that hitting his sister is the right thing to do because he thinks shes ugly. By your definition thats grey. Its right and wrong. After all we should trust ourselves to our own judgment since we do know all. mmm mmm smell that humanism! War and Violence? no im not a war monger. IM getting tired of all this political crap. Ill be happy as a clown without it. But i dont like people who warp their own religions, fly a plane into the country and kill people. Thats not one of those war mognering things. Thats anger. Youd rather sit down with the terrorist who planned that and say "Now now, why did you do that? can we get you a soda?" unfortunatly these terrorists have shown wonderful diplomatic skills. Its called a car bomb. Everybody knows some whos been in Iraq got killed in Iraq or is going to Iraq. Theres two things you can do, cry about it or support it. Contrary to the media, not every soldier is a mess. They are patriots, and they dont like coming home to here people scream that they are fighting for nothing. Thats where I stand. If you met me youd be suprised Aaron. This isn't anywhere NEAR the Vietnam war. So in comparence to that era and the discord people had with the soldier's it's MUCH better. About a thousand times better. You don't like it when things are tossed back in your face huh? interesting. You do group people and you do as a whole seem to at times group people that are muslim's as all being extremists. Of course I do the same with christian's and republican's. Although I promise you any "good" christian I know is a dang republican. Humanism? What the heck is that? So me wanting peace is a bad thing? Rigghhhtttttt. I still don't think nor will ever belive Iraq and 9/11 is one in the same. Granted though at least Bush bombed a muslim country and not say...Russia. At least he got that whole thing down pat. Thank god.
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