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Post by voltage on Sept 20, 2006 7:21:48 GMT -5
Personally I think what Hezbollah is doing right now is down right terrorism. First they capture two israeli soldier than they sit behind lebanese citizens as if they are body shields, and it drives me nuts how much the media is reporting Israel as the enemy! In my book the first strike determines the enemy and the defender. Why all this hubub against Israel?
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Post by Aaron on Sept 20, 2006 10:57:51 GMT -5
umm I haven't been watching lately but ummm from my view point or what i could see they were against Hezbalah. And, really Israel did go a bit nuts. They just stormed in and what not ready to go after what? 2 guys? Couldn't have done something else? I mean you really expect America to do the same if we lose soldiers? I doubt it.
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Post by voltage on Sept 22, 2006 6:38:45 GMT -5
Dude, they blew up two of our buildings and we invaded the country and wiped out quite a few terrorists.
No Israel isnt overreacting. They didnt kill two soliders, they are holding them hostage. Its not mowed lawns and friendly neighbors over in Israel, they are surrounded by enemies, mostly muslims. Hezbollah is just another extremist group, using the lebanese for body shields and trying to enfore their views.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 22, 2006 6:55:38 GMT -5
Dude, they blew up two of our buildings and we invaded the country and wiped out quite a few terrorists. No Israel isnt overreacting. They didnt kill two soliders, they are holding them hostage. Its not mowed lawns and friendly neighbors over in Israel, they are surrounded by enemies, mostly muslims. Hezbollah is just another extremist group, using the lebanese for body shields and trying to enfore their views. I know they didn't kill them or anything but its' 2 soldiers. I highly doubt the USA would do something like that over 2 soldiers. Plus, now they just gave there enemy something to go on. They now know if they mess with the soldier's it'll get there enemy's going. Great idea. lol.
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Post by voltage on Sept 22, 2006 7:01:38 GMT -5
Aaron if you had two kids and hezbollah took them would you just tell the USA to not try and get them?
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Post by obieglo on Sept 23, 2006 10:09:28 GMT -5
I'm with ØV¤ltageØ on this. It is just plain wrong what Hezbollah is doing. I think it is good that Israel struck so hard. That will teach them a lesson they won't forget. Even the Hezbollah leader said that if he had know that Israel would react like that, he wouldn't have captured those two soldiers.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 23, 2006 10:22:16 GMT -5
Aaron if you had two kids and hezbollah took them would you just tell the USA to not try and get them? That is different. What I want and the best interest of the American people are two different things. Would I want to? Yeah. But, I know idealy that it's not going to happen and that it shouldn't. It shouldn't because A. All soldier's know that they are on there own as far as being captured they arn't going to do that much to get them. B. Massing a WHOLE army? Come on. That just tells your enemy. "Hey look wanna ptick us off? Go and take the soldiers". Which I'm sure is being planned by a terrorist. C. While I don't agree with moving in all troops nad to heck with the concequences....I do agree with trying to locate them and if we can get them out. But, I'm not sending in more troops. Although, the whole "Lets get 'em and to heck with what happens" is pretty popular here in the states.
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Post by zionofficer on Sept 23, 2006 15:24:36 GMT -5
I know they didn't kill them or anything but its' 2 soldiers. I highly doubt the USA would do something like that over 2 soldiers. Plus, now they just gave there enemy something to go on. They now know if they mess with the soldier's it'll get there enemy's going. Great idea. lol. You still believe that Israel's war in southern Lebanon was about recapturing the two kidnapped soldiers? It was about eliminating the threat posed by Hezbollah, so Israel could have a lasting peace with it's neighbors. My oppinion is that Israel took the right step against Hezbollah. If I was in charge I would have said screw the UN and kept going. It is like the US and al Qaeda. US goes to war in Afghanistan and critically injures al Qaeda, nearly destroys them, then invades Iraq and gives al Qaeda a new chance to rebuild, and regather their strength and support. Israel goes to war in southern Lebanon, and nearly kills Hezbollah, then the wonderful UN comes in to save the day. Now, with the ceasefire in effect, Hezbollah gets a chance to rebuild, and regather their strength and support.
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Post by voltage on Sept 25, 2006 9:08:29 GMT -5
Aaron its not about running amuck for the sake of war, thats your political standpoint talkin. If your kids were being held hostage, tortured by religious extremists whom you dont agree with anyway, would you in all honesty not do anything to get them back.
If you say no, then i hope you never have kids.
Terrorist groups are not logical. They strap bombs to themselves so they can die for virgins. Now im sure that every man sometime or another thinks 77 virgins would be nice, but why strap a bomb to your kids for that? or blowing up a car? Everyday more and more of the terrorists are losing ground, but all our media can report is that were slaughtering off innocents. They are doing that now with Israel. All they can say is that they are slaughtering off innocents. these people have one mindset. Kill all who dont agree with them. If i killed everyone but you Aaron, one the board because i thought no one agreed with me, and i said you were next, What are you going to do? Sympathize for me? Of course not, im a meany christian. How bout if an Alquida did it? Would you sit back and negotiate? Would you wait for the junk car to pull up to your house and detonate?
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Post by Aaron on Sept 25, 2006 10:56:39 GMT -5
Aaron its not about running amuck for the sake of war, thats your political standpoint talkin. If your kids were being held hostage, tortured by religious extremists whom you dont agree with anyway, would you in all honesty not do anything to get them back. If you say no, then i hope you never have kids. Terrorist groups are not logical. They strap bombs to themselves so they can die for virgins. Now im sure that every man sometime or another thinks 77 virgins would be nice, but why strap a bomb to your kids for that? or blowing up a car? Everyday more and more of the terrorists are losing ground, but all our media can report is that were slaughtering off innocents. They are doing that now with Israel. All they can say is that they are slaughtering off innocents. these people have one mindset. Kill all who dont agree with them. If i killed everyone but you Aaron, one the board because i thought no one agreed with me, and i said you were next, What are you going to do? Sympathize for me? Of course not, im a meany christian. How bout if an Alquida did it? Would you sit back and negotiate? Would you wait for the junk car to pull up to your house and detonate? I'm not scared of Al Quiada. I'm going to use the qoute from Rosie in saying thatto me the biggest threat today and in these times is from the Far Christian Right. They want it to be there Idea of America. Which means it's 100 percent there way in thinking or the highway. I don't think it's right to send a crap load of people over 2 or 3 soldiers. What you do is you try and meet with them. Now I know what you'r thinking and saying niside your mind "they are terrorists..they don't see reason ..and they don't care". You can't really generalize. Because, that isn't really right. So that is how I'd palyed it. I know you would have played it differently. Which is fine. But, doing what they did...I don't think is totally what I call smart thinking or doing. But, whatever. You'r more for action and gunghoness then I am. And, I think I'd make a nice father and parent. But, what a person want's for there kid's and the country sometimes is in contrast of what is best. Like the Terry Shivo case. All of us would have loved to see her either on the life support..and then the other half would have let her go. So now we should make a law so one is more easier then the other? No. It's not right. Because, that legal law would mess up the whole system. So if some parent iddn't like what was happening to their child...they could come in and over step the Wife/Husband? I know there two different things but really what you like for the country to do isn't necessarly what the country is goign to or should. That is how I see it.
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Post by voltage on Sept 25, 2006 20:41:35 GMT -5
As i said before, fear me, ive got my world domination map (or america domination map) in my lap.
Rosie should fear her cholesterol and her weight before she fears the meany christians. The only reason why we win wars with republican presidents is probably becaus screwballs like clinton try to meet with someone with enough wits to strap a bomb to the bottom of a bradley.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 30, 2006 18:52:14 GMT -5
As i said before, fear me, ive got my world domination map (or america domination map) in my lap. Rosie should fear her cholesterol and her weight before she fears the meany christians. The only reason why we win wars with republican presidents is probably becaus screwballs like clinton try to meet with someone with enough wits to strap a bomb to the bottom of a bradley. only thing I can say is this. Republican's are part of America that believes EVERYONES out to change there lives. And, is ready to kill anything that moves. While maybe the Dem's are more rational people. And, don't divide people into groups. Also too we are for love. While the Christian-Republican's arn't. Odd. Really odd.
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Post by zionofficer on Sept 30, 2006 19:47:48 GMT -5
Really? I happen to think that democrats are a bigger problem. They use the media to keep people blind to the real threat of terrorism. Democrats also publish all sorts of anti-Conservative propaganda (i.e. Michael Moore). But when someone goes to expose the real mistakes of the democratic party (The Path to 9/11), they shout and go histerical, and demand it be cencored. The Democrats have a tight noose around the neck of the American public, and are slowly choking America to death with their lies.
And please quit saying "Christian Republicans". Because I am Republican and I am not Christian.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 30, 2006 20:25:46 GMT -5
Really? I happen to think that democrats are a bigger problem. They use the media to keep people blind to the real threat of terrorism. Democrats also publish all sorts of anti-Conservative propaganda (i.e. Michael Moore). But when someone goes to expose the real mistakes of the democratic party (The Path to 9/11), they shout and go histerical, and demand it be cencored. The Democrats have a tight noose around the neck of the American public, and are slowly choking America to death with their lies. And please quit saying "Christian Republicans". Because I am Republican and I am not Christian. The things that your accusing the Dem's for...I see in the Republican's. They play the game dirtier and worse then the Dem's. I know you won't agree but thati s my thinking and feeling of it. Carl Rove isn't above using anything so long as it means his guy winning. Which is good and yet not. Especially from what they have done. Path to9/11 was crap. It just was. Although, I will agree that it probably was on Clinton's hands. But, it's on EVERYONES hands. 9/11 can't be pinned down on one person. It's the Media, and government and citizen's. We are all at fault. Just like it was in WW2 and the attack of Pearl Harbor. But, while you say that Clinton was to wraped in Monica. You Republican's *Just like Janet* tried to turn Monica Lewenski into a Porno hour. Every time a family went to eat or around that time we'd hear more lurid tales of how Clinton got it on with Monica. Even Kenneth Star was wanting to know more. Sounded like those old republican men were sad that they couldn't get any tail. It was pitiful really..truelly pitiful. Sorry but to Me I see Christianity and Republican's as one in the same. They are TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrapped up in one another. Just about all the REpublican's I'v ever met loved that the Republican's were always the more "Christian". Which to me mean repression. To me your side is 1950's..wanting everyone to go back and be Exactly like the 1950's and not 2006. But, whatever..I'm on the other side and differ in thinking especially political things.
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Post by zionofficer on Oct 2, 2006 21:17:04 GMT -5
Really? I happen to think that democrats are a bigger problem. They use the media to keep people blind to the real threat of terrorism. Democrats also publish all sorts of anti-Conservative propaganda (i.e. Michael Moore). But when someone goes to expose the real mistakes of the democratic party (The Path to 9/11), they shout and go histerical, and demand it be cencored. The Democrats have a tight noose around the neck of the American public, and are slowly choking America to death with their lies. And please quit saying "Christian Republicans". Because I am Republican and I am not Christian. The things that your accusing the Dem's for...I see in the Republican's. They play the game dirtier and worse then the Dem's. I know you won't agree but thati s my thinking and feeling of it. Carl Rove isn't above using anything so long as it means his guy winning. Which is good and yet not. Especially from what they have done. Path to9/11 was crap. It just was. Although, I will agree that it probably was on Clinton's hands. But, it's on EVERYONES hands. 9/11 can't be pinned down on one person. It's the Media, and government and citizen's. We are all at fault. Just like it was in WW2 and the attack of Pearl Harbor. But, while you say that Clinton was to wraped in Monica. You Republican's *Just like Janet* tried to turn Monica Lewenski into a Porno hour. Every time a family went to eat or around that time we'd hear more lurid tales of how Clinton got it on with Monica. Even Kenneth Star was wanting to know more. Sounded like those old republican men were sad that they couldn't get any tail. It was pitiful really..truelly pitiful. Sorry but to Me I see Christianity and Republican's as one in the same. They are TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrapped up in one another. Just about all the REpublican's I'v ever met loved that the Republican's were always the more "Christian". Which to me mean repression. To me your side is 1950's..wanting everyone to go back and be Exactly like the 1950's and not 2006. But, whatever..I'm on the other side and differ in thinking especially political things. The problem with the democrats is that you fall for the usual muslim crap-talk about "oh we're so oppressed by the west". You guys like to believe things they say like, "The USA is imperialist and only cares about oil". The truth is, radical muslims are a big problem to our interests in the region (which is more then just oil), and we were not gonna be told what to do anymore by some ragtag bunch of terrorists. And we wouldn't even be in this mess if the moderate muslims of the middle east would have done more to oust the radical jihadist ideology. Then September 11 happened. Thats when America decided that we'd had enough. Apparantly no one was going to do anything, so we took action against radicals. It was only the Iraq war that turned everyone against the US.
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