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Post by voltage on Aug 25, 2006 23:05:48 GMT -5
DO you think they exist at all? I mean ive heard a lot about these wicca things and wedgie boards but honestly i stop and think very logically, do they even exist? i mean you got some guy who comes up to you and says he can guess which card you picked, thats an illusion. so maybe these people promising happiness and joy in the spirits, maybe thats na illusion too? or maybe they are delusional themselves. interesting...
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Post by Aaron on Aug 25, 2006 23:12:43 GMT -5
DO you think they exist at all? I mean ive heard a lot about these wicca things and wedgie boards but honestly i stop and think very logically, do they even exist? i mean you got some guy who comes up to you and says he can guess which card you picked, thats an illusion. so maybe these people promising happiness and joy in the spirits, maybe thats na illusion too? or maybe they are delusional themselves. interesting... I believe in ghosts because I'v seen. Do I believe in all of it? Not exactly. But let me ask you a question. Someone comes up to you and hands you a bible and says "This man is the key to your salvation" and that he's the only way to a better and nicer way of life, and by believing other ways leads to pain and suffering and damnation, and basically an after life full of pain and misery". Also keep in mind that they say those things to lil kids. Lil 4 and 5 year olds. What the heck do you think the kids' going to choose. Utter pain or the nice place? Of course the nice place. Do you believe or think that people are delusion themselves as well? I mean this is from a guy that "reserected" and came back alive. That can't be done. I haven't noticed any dead coming back alive. All of it's faith. All of it. Every ounce of it is faith. But, I don't think you really realize that or open up enough to admit it, or want to. Want to just denounce and say other religions are pretty effed up since they don't believe in God and or Jesus Christ. But, when you come down to it it's just as messed up believing in some "Guy" than it is to believe in a fat asian guy. Why I choose Karma.
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Post by voltage on Aug 25, 2006 23:18:33 GMT -5
lol, aaron you are such a cheery person.
Yep it takes faith. i guess if you think a christian cant admit that i will. guess i just follow the one true God. and it seems someone putting a bible in your face didnt change your desicion? so why try to tell me a ten year old kid will believe it? its a personal desicion, some choose it some dont. its not a brain wash or a telepathizer whatchamacallit that zaps you into being a bumbling idiot. as far as im concerned were all pretty much bumbling idiots, the question is what do you know? do you know that your magick is so powerful or do you know that were not going to pop up for round 2 when we die? do you know that you reap what you sow, or do you know that buddha commands all? i think your fairly divided buddy, and a double minded man is unstable in all he does. maybe you need to straighten out what you do know, instead of popping onto a forum and choosing everything BUT that jesus christ stuff. hmmm?
'D
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Post by Aaron on Aug 25, 2006 23:33:07 GMT -5
lol, aaron you are such a cheery person. Yep it takes faith. i guess if you think a christian cant admit that i will. guess i just follow the one true God. and it seems someone putting a bible in your face didnt change your desicion? so why try to tell me a ten year old kid will believe it? its a personal desicion, some choose it some dont. its not a brain wash or a telepathizer whatchamacallit that zaps you into being a bumbling idiot. as far as im concerned were all pretty much bumbling idiots, the question is what do you know? do you know that your magick is so powerful or do you know that were not going to pop up for round 2 when we die? do you know that you reap what you sow, or do you know that buddha commands all? i think your fairly divided buddy, and a double minded man is unstable in all he does. maybe you need to straighten out what you do know, instead of popping onto a forum and choosing everything BUT that jesus christ stuff. hmmm? 'D I'v never really said anything totally bad. Yes, I'm quick to mention the public side of Christianity. Because, they are hate mongrel's. It's no different then someone in the 40's spewing kill the Jew kill the Jew. Or, when the Black's were fighting for there rights. So do I like you'r public face of Christianity? No I don't. But, I say I respect those that I have found faith. But, I don't like it when people spew idiotic speache's and just make it so that we are even more polorized as a nation and as a society. All this talk of hatting those that live life and love differently hasn't helped this nation. A guy could actually cry and show emotion. Now he can't because he's gay. I'd love to take some really "Tarzan" types and toss a metrosexual in the room with them. Also too you don't like it when I mention things that are playing devil's advocate or I come up with something or a thought..a question that goes against things. You really don't. I do that alot. I think it should happen. Because, it gets people like you and the other's to think. Thinking is good. I think me playing devil's advocate in this day and age is needed. Because, I think that if we ever don't do this....America wouldn't really be free. We'd have a very restrictive enviroment, and nothing free at all.
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Post by voltage on Aug 26, 2006 11:17:26 GMT -5
well im sorry aaron, but the only thing you make me think of is eternal pain and sufering, which i really dont wanna see anybody get into (not everybody, but im not god)
you say devils advocat alot. it seems that you cant fully express the meaning, so im gonna give a shot. you want to come against every opinion that seems right. gasp how do i know because playing the devils advocat is indicating you play one side.
gasp
now we start to understand how your mind really works, hey if christians dont like buddhists, lets bring up buddhism but if a buddhist doesnt like christians? you agree with them! some advocat you are. im fairly disappointed. you will tell a macho man that gays are people too, but will you tell a gay that they arent real men? gasp! heavens no! we might hurt somebodies feelings. you are a puppet of a liberalit society and frankly a godless society. youd rather sit in muck and agree with all but what is right, cause you know that as soon as you get near the truth, you see yourself for what you really are. and this environment is already restricitve. heck we cant even put the ten commandments in a courtroom. yet well go ahead and allow gay marraige. thats unconstitutional my very confused friend. but im sure you dont believe in that either right?
heh heh heh....
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Post by Aaron on Aug 26, 2006 13:50:41 GMT -5
well im sorry aaron, but the only thing you make me think of is eternal pain and sufering, which i really dont wanna see anybody get into (not everybody, but im not god) you say devils advocat alot. it seems that you cant fully express the meaning, so im gonna give a shot. you want to come against every opinion that seems right. gasp how do i know because playing the devils advocat is indicating you play one side. gasp now we start to understand how your mind really works, hey if christians dont like buddhists, lets bring up buddhism but if a buddhist doesnt like christians? you agree with them! some advocat you are. im fairly disappointed. you will tell a macho man that gays are people too, but will you tell a gay that they arent real men? gasp! heavens no! we might hurt somebodies feelings. you are a puppet of a liberalit society and frankly a godless society. youd rather sit in muck and agree with all but what is right, cause you know that as soon as you get near the truth, you see yourself for what you really are. and this environment is already restricitve. heck we cant even put the ten commandments in a courtroom. yet well go ahead and allow gay marraige. thats unconstitutional my very confused friend. but im sure you dont believe in that either right? heh heh heh.... Okay so I'm a libral. I admit that. I'm proud of being a liberal the same that you'r probably proud of your Christianity. I'm also an alternative lifestyle person. Yes, I'm involved in BDSM. I enjoy it and I'm proud of that too. It's the same as with Rell who is a Wiccan and same with other's that are certain things. As long as you'r happy and you'r getting something good out of it, I say to hell with what other's believe. I'm happy and if that is a crime and yes even to Jesus Christ and God...then they can go to heck because I'm not going to be unhappy. I'm sick of it. I'v had to many long years of feeling depressed and I'v found myself and am finding out who I am. I like who I am. And, I'm not changing. Because, I don't want to. You want to call me a puppet? You'r more the puppet in my eyes. You say I'm to liberal and I'm for a Godless world. All you know are the stereotypes. You play on them alot. Even I from time to time. But, the Public face is still a pretty bad face, and I don't blame people for believing differently or something totally not like you. Voltage you work well around other people that think and breath the same as you. But, you don't work well where people chat or talk about things that you don't like or don't approve of. You don't have much tolerance for things outside the box or out of your own thinking. You repeatedly say I'm not for Christianity and here I am saying that I am. But, I do come up with other things and thoughts. Sometimes because I think they should be voiced and they should be said. Other times to bring up something new to bring to a discussion or talk. Not necessarly meaning that I'm right or wrong. But all in all that is cool. You'r a Christian...I'm a BDSMer. An Alternative Lifer who is for all alternative life people in there pursuit of living a life they want to live. Were natural enemy's and not allies. You stand in opposition of what I want for America and I stand up and represent all the nastyness and inmorality. Which is fine. If you think I'm going to hell then I'm going to hell, Volt I don't care. I honestly don't care. That is something we in the alternative and I think different religions even agree on. We don't care. We don't want your approval. If we wanted that we'd be exactly like you Volt. Safe, and "normal" but we stand up and say that there is no such thing as "normal" everyone's "Kinky", and everyone's "different". IT's in the difference that makes that person a person. It's in the difference that makes this America...America. It's the Difference that people revolted against the British to form this nation. But, go ahead and think and feel whatever you want. I know you will.
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Post by voltage on Aug 26, 2006 18:17:43 GMT -5
nooooow, i think i can start talking lol. nothing drives me nuts more than someone who doesnt admit anything.
Its a good thing you dont want to be unhappy, it is about you anyway. lol im perfectly happy. i dont like what i do and i dont like aspects of my personality. but when you think that someone actually wants to save you at all costs, thats sometin to put a big ripe smile on anyones face. thats the root of all religions. to try and duplicate that feelin g of acceptance and personal worth.
the puppet thing just makes me laugh. we seem to just be shooting potshots at each other about it so im just gonna drop that if you dont mind. i only play stereotypes with people who are stereotypical. mostly i just see what someone says or better how they act and i make I disagreeumptions from that. probably a huge personality flaw but im not gonna weep over it. for someone who claims i play stereotypes, your not far from the same tree bud. it appears to me that someone who brings up the "public face" every other post seems to play stereotypes also.
Dont think for one minute you can make a behavioral remark about me. lets face it, you dont know me and never will. i dont make remarks about your personal actions, just what you say and I disagreeumptions. now if you wanna say that im a zombie part of some borg population, go ahead. but you cant base that off jack.
I have never thought i was normal and i fought depression and suicidal intentions for 4 years. If you wanna consider that a happy normal place, hey fine by me but like i said dont think you can make any assumption on my personal actions. you still dont know me. If you dont care, than say so and drop it. My onlyissue with you is you cant do that. you scream i dont care and then on the way out the door you spit in my lap and say some stupid childish comment to get me going all over again. Im not tenacious, i just defend easy.
Ev eryones normal? i dont think so. in order for someone to be normal there has to be a list of people who are the same. since we dont have a model for "normal" we make an attempt at such. its comparison and i dont use that anymore to determine anything, except for the mentally insane or damaged. a harsh phrase? yes. shoot me for it. Personal identity is a whole nother topic and i would love to shoot into that but thats not what this is about. If you want me to stand down then you have to also. announce yourself as an enemy and i can do nothing but love you.
by the way, englishman came from england to here because a few of them didnt think God was being worshipped in the complacent anglican church founded by henry VIII.
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Post by Aaron on Aug 27, 2006 0:30:01 GMT -5
Where's the stupid childish remarks? And ummm that is like calling the cattle black. You do the samethings I'v been doing too. It's just how we are. Were basically on opposite's of the sprectrum. Actually, saying that you'r the walking talking thing from the Republican/Christianity political side of things. Isn't far off. You have in the past said things that I hear on the news..over..and over..and over again.
Although, I do know that there are probably sides of me that you read and instant "LIBERAL. LIBERAL. WE HAVE A LIBERAL IN OUR MISTS". So I'm sure it's balanced. Now if this whole paragraph about how you scream "Conservative to Me" and I probably scream "Liberal" actually registers I don't know. I only question if it actually goes through and registers since you have said that I don't like Christianity..and or I'm against it. While actually what I was saying was..I don't like the public face.
I was using the personal identity to say that no matter what we say or do there will we'll be at each other's throats and at times probably with other's on this board. Mainly because they are -Fill in the blank- and you'r Christian. And, that is cool. My upringing plays into why and who I am. I can't change that.
Although will say we do have things in comman. Wow. Yeah I know. I'v been to hell and you have too. It's call Suicide. And, yes Suicidal thoughts and all that is like a living hell. We all know those streets and that place. Sounds like too were both out of it. At least working to get out. It has a very powerful hold on people and not easy to shake. Especially for me since mental problem's run in the family alongwith another 50 some odd other medical problems lol. But, that is something else too.
I also didn't know I had to admit anything. I'm not on trial and I haven't really said much. I don't think you actually read half the things I actually type out. Sometimes I speak out of anger. Which isn't to bright but then again so do you....type at least out of anger. Which is a pretty disabling emotion. Can kill a person if let it. So yeah I probably say things double. I'm use to it actually. Alot of the people around me don't exactly hear everything I say or do so I make sure. So I'll sit in front of them and keep saying it till probably point of annoyment but hey at least I know they hear me.
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