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Post by Enchant on Apr 30, 2006 12:10:40 GMT -5
WARNING;THIS IS A SPOILER THREAD. iF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BOOK AND DO NOT WISH TO KNOW THE PLOT, PLEASE DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER......
With the release of the movie, the highly controversial and popular book, The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown, the Vatican officials are screaming "Boycott".The novel is an international murder mystery centered on attempts to uncover a secret about the life of Christ that a clandestine society has tried to protect for centuries.The central tenet of the book is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children.
Now the vatican seems to be more involved with the multimedia then usual. There have been several books and movies based on the "other" theories surrounding the life of Christ and the storyline centering around Jesus have children. So, why do you think the Catholic Church is so frightful of this one? We all know the Vatican has there intriguing mysteries, so, what makes this book, that makes the Vatican make such a stand.
I must admit, to see the catholic church take such an unusual reaction to something that has been classified in bookstores as Fiction, gives me reason to ponder that there might be some merit to the book.There is an old saying "Thou does protest too much"
What are your opinons on this?
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Post by Æther on Apr 30, 2006 12:26:19 GMT -5
Can you put a spoiler warning at the top of this? I've already read the book but if I hadn't, I'd be extremely disappointed because you just threw out the main plot point of the book. At the beginning of the book, Dan Brown puts a disclaimer basically saying that all places, paintings, secrets, organizations, etc. are true, so if people realize that Opus Dei members actually wear cilices (which i heard they only have to do 2 hours a day), then its horrible publicity.
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Post by Enchant on Apr 30, 2006 14:25:16 GMT -5
Can you put a spoiler warning at the top of this? I've already read the book but if I hadn't, I'd be extremely disappointed because you just threw out the main plot point of the book. At the beginning of the book, Dan Brown puts a disclaimer basically saying that all places, paintings, secrets, organizations, etc. are true, so if people realize that Opus Dei members actually wear cilices (which i heard they only have to do 2 hours a day), then its horrible publicity. Thank you for reminding me, I didn't even think about it... I put it in pretty red...so there is no excuse not to miss it...so who's point of view do you think has more validity?
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Post by Æther on Apr 30, 2006 16:59:29 GMT -5
I actually have the book, so I'll put the disclaimer here: "corporal mortification" is a practice that has many elements. Including wearing a cilice (spiked chain) on the upper thigh, it enhances the idea of celebacy(sp?). It is only required to be worn 2 hours a day except for Church feast days. Another element is Discipline, which is when the members must whip themselves. Cold showers, meals, and other aspects are also attached, but the Cilice and and Discipline are the most shocking. ( Source) So its hard to choose a side here. But I would have to side with Dan Brown. As far as he went, he found two members of Opus Dei in which he recieved his information. That may or may not be enough, but the heads of Opus Dei have the right to inform everyone of whats right. And the fact is that this process of Corporal Mortification wasn't really that large of a part of the story, though it was in the beginning.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 30, 2006 17:33:54 GMT -5
I think going to go with James Ellroy and what he said once in an interview. I'm also going to censor it since the man does love to cuss and such. So you'll be able to read it lol.
"If a writer's really good he can take fact and spin his own fiction around the fact's and the reader will not be able to tell which is which. And, if he's really talented and good at it he can tell one eff of a story".
That is what I think Dan Brown's done. Is the idea totally his own? No. Another before him has come up with it although seems he's done this and now it's caught on.
Personally I think the religious people no matter what they boycaotte they make it a Hit. So the reason why it's a sensation is because of themselves. They helped create this monster. I just don't think they realize that they have NO power.
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Post by Mistress Rell on May 8, 2006 10:25:51 GMT -5
I think the reason the Vatican is so worried is that perhaps secrets that they have been keeping for close to at least a thousand years is finally coming out. I say a thousand becasue it's only been that long that the Catholic church has not allowed priest and higher up to marry. Before that date, all, including the Pope were allowed to take wives, and did. The reason it stopped, when the priest or whom-ever would die, his family would auto-matically take the property of the chuch as thier in heritance. The Vatican was losing alot of property and the things on it.
Since the Judas gospel came out there have been a number of shows on Christianity, and I've tried to watch them all. Unlike Judeasim(sp) and Islam(sp) Christianity had 'borrowed' alot of thier traditions and stories from other beliefs. Perhaps this is the time that the truth is finally coming out from the dark shadows.
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Post by Aaron on May 8, 2006 16:41:02 GMT -5
I think the reason the Vatican is so worried is that perhaps secrets that they have been keeping for close to at least a thousand years is finally coming out. I say a thousand becasue it's only been that long that the Catholic church has not allowed priest and higher up to marry. Before that date, all, including the Pope were allowed to take wives, and did. The reason it stopped, when the priest or whom-ever would die, his family would auto-matically take the property of the chuch as thier in heritance. The Vatican was losing alot of property and the things on it. Since the Judas gospel came out there have been a number of shows on Christianity, and I've tried to watch them all. Unlike Judeasim(sp) and Islam(sp) Christianity had 'borrowed' alot of thier traditions and stories from other beliefs. Perhaps this is the time that the truth is finally coming out from the dark shadows. If your right then no matter how many shows are shown and how many "revealing" things happen. Here in America at least I'd say over 50 percent believe that EVERYTHING in the bible is True.
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Post by Æther on May 12, 2006 14:30:49 GMT -5
I think the reason the Vatican is so worried is that perhaps secrets that they have been keeping for close to at least a thousand years is finally coming out. I say a thousand becasue it's only been that long that the Catholic church has not allowed priest and higher up to marry. Before that date, all, including the Pope were allowed to take wives, and did. The reason it stopped, when the priest or whom-ever would die, his family would auto-matically take the property of the chuch as thier in heritance. The Vatican was losing alot of property and the things on it. Since the Judas gospel came out there have been a number of shows on Christianity, and I've tried to watch them all. Unlike Judeasim(sp) and Islam(sp) Christianity had 'borrowed' alot of thier traditions and stories from other beliefs. Perhaps this is the time that the truth is finally coming out from the dark shadows. If your right then no matter how many shows are shown and how many "revealing" things happen. Here in America at least I'd say over 50 percent believe that EVERYTHING in the bible is True. I wouldn't say 50% but I get the point. People don't quite realize that the Bible is a set of guidelines and stories that support the guidelines.
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Post by Aaron on May 12, 2006 20:04:27 GMT -5
I think they do. I just think that for some of the different off shoots of religion it's not stories it's more of truth. And, to speak out or say other wise will lead you to damnation and The Devil.
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Post by Mistress Rell on May 13, 2006 18:00:26 GMT -5
Something else to think about.
One of the shows I watched it stated this; as Jesus was Jewish his father was bound by Jewish law to do 5 things for his son. One of them was to find him a wife. It was unheard of for a man his age to not be married.
Also, all the Apostle called him either 'teacher' or Rabbi'. Under Hebrew law, a man CANNOT TEACH AT ALL[/I] unless he is married.
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Post by Enchant on May 25, 2006 1:06:15 GMT -5
Something else to think about. One of the shows I watched it stated this; as Jesus was Jewish his father was bound by Jewish law to do 5 things for his son. One of them was to find him a wife. It was unheard of for a man his age to not be married. Also, all the Apostle called him either 'teacher' or Rabbi'. Under Hebrew law, a man CANNOT TEACH AT ALL[/I] unless he is married. [/quote] That is very interesting....What show was it can you remember? I also think that for arguement sake the bible was real...it has been interepetted and rewritten so many times, we cannot assume to beleive it to be completely accurate....for arguement sake, lets say the vatican had the real translation and it was indeed simular to Browns book...Could it be that the vatican actually change them to suit thier organized religion, and Browns book is too close for comfort?
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Post by Mistress Rell on May 30, 2006 10:21:21 GMT -5
Lol, I wish I could remember the name of the show. It was on the Bio channel, or ONE channel, or Disc. or A&E. The t.v had several shows on Davinci, Jesus for quite awhile before The Davinci Code came out.
I believe that there are alot of things that have been mis-interpeted(sp) about the Bible. And I believe that it was done on purpose so that the Church could have power over ignorant people in the early beginnings of Christianity. The fact that the very Foundation of Christianity has come under fire is making alot of people nervous.
If Jesus didn't die for our sins, did he die at all? Did he have a life that the Church is hiding? Are there decendents? And If there are decendents then that would mean that Jesus was not the 'only' child of God.
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Post by Aaron on May 30, 2006 12:19:06 GMT -5
Lol, I wish I could remember the name of the show. It was on the Bio channel, or ONE channel, or Disc. or A&E. The t.v had several shows on Davinci, Jesus for quite awhile before The Davinci Code came out. I believe that there are alot of things that have been mis-interpeted(sp) about the Bible. And I believe that it was done on purpose so that the Church could have power over ignorant people in the early beginnings of Christianity. The fact that the very Foundation of Christianity has come under fire is making alot of people nervous. If Jesus didn't die for our sins, did he die at all? Did he have a life that the Church is hiding? Are there decendents? And If there are decendents then that would mean that Jesus was not the 'only' child of God. Oh I think I know what your talking about. But, I don't think it's going to do that much damage. Those that are the fanatics would just as soon kill the people and you for thinking it then letting it not happen. Then those that always grew up with it..would dismiss it and keep faith. It's the only thing they knew and I doubt seriously My grandmother is going to change faith.
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Post by pretentiouscandy on Jun 15, 2006 21:52:16 GMT -5
I read the book and saw the movie. And I really do think alot of what he writes about is true. I don't really know how else to put it other than.. that plain and simple lmao.
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