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Post by Aaron on Aug 27, 2006 0:43:25 GMT -5
Lets just say deep down you don't really know my spiritual outlook on life. The whole idea. But, I'm not going to tell you because then you'd just laff and ridcule it as childish and acidnine. So not going to.
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Post by voltage on Aug 28, 2006 14:51:06 GMT -5
Lets also say, you dont know mine either, making us both opposite, desparate people aruging over something that seemingly could never be resolved.
it sucks man.
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Post by zionofficer on Aug 29, 2006 22:55:49 GMT -5
I actually just believe in the laws of nature. I think after any living organism dies, they just decay and eventually dissapear. I don't really believe that there is an afterlife or a reincarnation. I think because people have intelligence that goes far beyond that of any animal, we wanted to think of why are we here, or what role do we play in the universe, etc. I think religions sprung up as a possible answer to why we are here, and it also gives people a sense of belonging. But, back to the topic of the discussion, a good question that came up in my history class last year is (if the whole point of reincarnation is to make it to nirvana, i.e. Buddhism), if you are reincarnated as a spider or a cow, how will you know whether or not you are living a "good life?" And, how do you define what a "good life" is for a bug or a cow?
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Post by Aaron on Aug 29, 2006 23:20:21 GMT -5
I actually just believe in the laws of nature. I think after any living organism dies, they just decay and eventually dissapear. I don't really believe that there is an afterlife or a reincarnation. I think because people have intelligence that goes far beyond that of any animal, we wanted to think of why are we here, or what role do we play in the universe, etc. I think religions sprung up as a possible answer to why we are here, and it also gives people a sense of belonging. But, back to the topic of the discussion, a good question that came up in my history class last year is (if the whole point of reincarnation is to make it to nirvana, i.e. Buddhism), if you are reincarnated as a spider or a cow, how will you know whether or not you are living a "good life?" And, how do you define what a "good life" is for a bug or a cow? In My life we have a saying. Safe, Sane and consentual. Which if you look at the activities some do...like say bring into play a gun or a knife. While definetly dosen't sound safe,...and doesn't sound sane. That is just me. Anyhow, the whole point an the thing of bring this into play is that maybe it's up to you to decide. What a good life to one person is different from another person's.
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Post by zionofficer on Aug 31, 2006 18:29:33 GMT -5
I actually just believe in the laws of nature. I think after any living organism dies, they just decay and eventually dissapear. I don't really believe that there is an afterlife or a reincarnation. I think because people have intelligence that goes far beyond that of any animal, we wanted to think of why are we here, or what role do we play in the universe, etc. I think religions sprung up as a possible answer to why we are here, and it also gives people a sense of belonging. But, back to the topic of the discussion, a good question that came up in my history class last year is (if the whole point of reincarnation is to make it to nirvana, i.e. Buddhism), if you are reincarnated as a spider or a cow, how will you know whether or not you are living a "good life?" And, how do you define what a "good life" is for a bug or a cow? Anyhow, the whole point an the thing of bring this into play is that maybe it's up to you to decide. What a good life to one person is different from another person's. Thats true. I don't know much about any religion except Christianity but don't Buddhists or Hindus have their own basic "guidlines" of what a good life is? And also, what that question was saying, was does any other living organism besides a human have any conception of living a good life, or a place of eternal paradise in the afterlife?
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Post by Aaron on Sept 1, 2006 5:06:35 GMT -5
Anyhow, the whole point an the thing of bring this into play is that maybe it's up to you to decide. What a good life to one person is different from another person's. Thats true. I don't know much about any religion except Christianity but don't Buddhists or Hindus have their own basic "guidlines" of what a good life is? And also, what that question was saying, was does any other living organism besides a human have any conception of living a good life, or a place of eternal paradise in the afterlife? Yes they do. In Islam can't have any meat unless it's blessed when they slaughter it. Maybe we are to gain knowledge more and more knowledge as we live multiple lives an such. Maybe when boil it down this is heaven and this is also hell.
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Post by voltage on Sept 1, 2006 7:31:03 GMT -5
Anyhow, the whole point an the thing of bring this into play is that maybe it's up to you to decide. What a good life to one person is different from another person's. Thats true. I don't know much about any religion except Christianity but don't Buddhists or Hindus have their own basic "guidlines" of what a good life is? And also, what that question was saying, was does any other living organism besides a human have any conception of living a good life, or a place of eternal paradise in the afterlife? Well i personally have talked to a cow, but thats ridiculous. None of you speak cow. Anyhoo, Most of this reincarnation has its roots in buddhism, hinduism, and a few others. Now Buddhists themselves actually do not believe they will pop in a cows bod one day, they decided to get confusing and say "Instead, it is the continuation of the Five Aggregates in a long chain of cause and effect." So they dont reincarnat. They rebirth. they dont exist. Buddhism is really good at removing the Self from the planet (in my opinion too many postal workers do this, my mail is always sent to the next street over). Hindus believe that animals and human beings can intertwine (during the lovely reincarnation trip to the spiritual world) and if you followed your own moral code, Karma, you will get a really good body. So if i keep up my no-drinking o-smoking habit, i might be a turtle dove someday. Mooooooooooooo!
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Post by obieglo on Sept 23, 2006 10:17:37 GMT -5
I don't really believe in Reincarnation. The thought that I would die and then come back here again just scares me. I know that you don't remember something from your previous lives (or that is supposed to be), but still the idea of getting back here scares me.
Now there are also those who say that your soul gets better every time you reincarnate and it will eventually reach perfection and then you go to the afterlife. The only perfect soul up untill now is Jesus. I don't believe in this either. I believe that when you die, everything just ends and there is nothing. You will just stop existing.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 23, 2006 10:37:02 GMT -5
I don't really believe in Reincarnation. The thought that I would die and then come back here again just scares me. I know that you don't remember something from your previous lives (or that is supposed to be), but still the idea of getting back here scares me. Now there are also those who say that your soul gets better every time you reincarnate and it will eventually reach perfection and then you go to the afterlife. The only perfect soul up untill now is Jesus. I don't believe in this either. I believe that when you die, everything just ends and there is nothing. You will just stop existing. That is cool your thoughts and such but to just end..and nothing more? That scares me. The idea that there isn't something more out there. Seems like a big waste. Same to Alien's. We are learning that this solar system's an such that there are other solar systems. Whats to say that there isn't anything out there? If there isn't? Then God or whoever is in control of this thing...wasted space.
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Post by voltage on Sept 25, 2006 9:00:15 GMT -5
It makes me laugh that you really think you could be God. I mean you dont even think he knows what hes doing. I dont think its possible to get back here, but who would want to? only someone with no hope.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 25, 2006 10:59:12 GMT -5
It makes me laugh that you really think you could be God. I mean you dont even think he knows what hes doing. I dont think its possible to get back here, but who would want to? only someone with no hope. The idea of righting "wrongs" in your life doesn't appeal to you? Or having those first time experiences and such? That would be pretty cool. I don't think you could or should label someone with no hope as to want to have reincarnation.
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Post by voltage on Sept 25, 2006 20:43:09 GMT -5
Seriously, whats worth anything here? you act like you remember your "past life" when it says you don't. So right now you complain your life is hell, and that its no ray of sunshine, yet you say id love to come back here and experience it all over again.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 25, 2006 21:06:44 GMT -5
Seriously, whats worth anything here? you act like you remember your "past life" when it says you don't. So right now you complain your life is hell, and that its no ray of sunshine, yet you say id love to come back here and experience it all over again. I don't think I'v ever come out and said that my life is all darkness and dispair. There are moments and parts of my life that I would re-live in a heart beat. I'd give up everything to relive. from the moment I was born till My dad dieing at the age of 9. Or, the 2 and half ..almost 3 years living and being a couple with Lisa. Those were good but I'v never said that me personally it was all constant 100 percent darkness. Said life's hell -nods- which I do stand by. Life can be hell and filled with darkness for a very long time but yet there are moments of joy in my life. There have been some. I wouldn't saying long time..and most times fleeting but there are good times. How could I say that sleeping *and just sleeping* next to a beautiful woman who loves you completly and utterly and gives you 100 percent love and all...how can that be bad? The hell comes out of trying to maintain and keep that love and that warmth and that goodness. THAT is the challenge.
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Post by voltage on Sept 26, 2006 7:15:11 GMT -5
Sounds more like you want to relive happy parts of your life, instead of accepting the fact that if you could come back as someone else, you might never even see Lisa or have another Dad. Being without a dad or a lover is tough, but wanting to relive life is an impossibility. If you can't remember your past life, then you arent having another life. Your something new. Is that what you want?
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Post by Aaron on Oct 2, 2006 18:22:07 GMT -5
Sounds more like you want to relive happy parts of your life, instead of accepting the fact that if you could come back as someone else, you might never even see Lisa or have another Dad. Being without a dad or a lover is tough, but wanting to relive life is an impossibility. If you can't remember your past life, then you arent having another life. Your something new. Is that what you want? Just because I'd give up everything to have those things again doesn't exactly mean that I would. Because, I may not. More actually that I wouldn't. But, it is a pretty strong idea and strong things. I think that no matter what I would find a person though that is my dad and is lisa. I think that we would find one another and come into each other's lives. Even if they are or were not in the same "original" roles.
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