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Post by Enchant on Apr 7, 2006 18:20:27 GMT -5
With a plot twist worthy of The Da Vinci Code, the gospel - 13 papyrus sheets bound in leather and found in a cave in Egypt - purports to relate the last days of Jesus' life, from the viewpoint of Judas, one of Jesus' first followers. Christians teach that Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, but in this gospel, he is the hero, Jesus' most senior and trusted disciple and the only one who knows Jesus' true identity as the son of God. Yahoo.com ArticleThe National Geographic will be having a special on it, you might want to watch it. National Geographic Channel ArticleWhat are your thoughts on this thus far?
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Post by The Goddess Alexia on Apr 8, 2006 21:14:41 GMT -5
I've heard of this. i think its possible. after all, it isn't IMpossible,a nd like Holmes always said, Once you've eliminated the impossible, anything else, no matter how unprobable, must be the answer. As it is, I really want to get my hands on some of the gospels not in the bible. Especially the dead sea scrolls, Oh I can't wait. Also, I'm going to see if the rumors I heard about there being a gospel that Christ wrote himself, is real. Now THAT would be something killer. I wonder what kind of story he'd tell. I think he was a ...well i won't get into it right now, b/c then I'd end up babbeling and prolly end up affending every single person on the board in a compleatly different way than everyone else, lol. but yeah I think its cool. I had heard about eh Nat. geo. thing but I havn't got cable *tear* I'll be looking to try and find it online and watch it there.
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Post by Enchant on Apr 9, 2006 8:22:49 GMT -5
I often wondered about this. I have heard rumours from time to time, that there are actually alot more gospels written that were not placed in te bible and that the vatican has them, and refuses to make them public for fear of loosing power and influence...Weather I beleive this I am not sure, I am open to the possiablity....Lets just say, I might beleive in all faiths but do not beleive in mans word, that they are specially blessed over anouther man. I don't think the pope is any more special then Alexia, I mean did "God" himself come down and say you are the chosen? Or did man select in the name of "God"...
I think its possiable theory as to what is pertained in the bible. I am not suggest my faith in it on way or anouther, I am just posting for discussion sake.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Apr 10, 2006 9:51:50 GMT -5
On another site I'm on (mostly women) this topic came up for debate. The sad thing was that there wasn't a person on there that wanted to believe it. They all said that no matter what, it didn't change thier minds on how Judas is protrayed. I would of started a debate, but I was already in hot water for others I started.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 11, 2006 7:12:34 GMT -5
There are sections and portions that the Vatican *Church..and Catholics.* had found but had banned. They were labeled Harrasy and if you read or had these papers you were generally killed. It was a sin. A sin to talk or read or think of things like this. which is why part of the community's shocked these papers are still around. So yeah there are other books and what not that arnt' in the bible. Would people of faith believe it? I'd say no. It's not what there taught and it's not new. Especially to someone that is elderly. I doubt they would even pay attention. They enjoy and like there lil life and what they believe. Take the Catholic chruch out of it or keep it in. People arn't easy to change. Especially one as big as this.
I think there is possibility.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Apr 12, 2006 8:35:50 GMT -5
Continuing with what Arron said, I was watching a show on Biography on the weekend. It was called The Unknown Jesus, very interesting. It claimed that in the past, the Catholic church supressed any questioning into the life of Jesus, Basically stating that the Bible was completly true. That in itself if scary.
Herasy, by definition means 'knowledge'. So all those people who were killed under the banner of Herasy against Doctorine were actually killed because they either wanted to know, or knew things the church didn't want them to know. Again, scary.
The show also said that there are major differences between 'Historical Jesus', and 'Theology Jesus', and if you try to find common things between them you end up with either bad history or bad theology.
With all the information coming out lately, I can't see the Catholic Church maintaining their influence much longer.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 12, 2006 8:41:51 GMT -5
Catholic church and Christianity will ALWAYS thrive. Look at the way the world is right now. How they have it ...They are pushing America and American's closer to WW3. People will come by the thousands to Christ and Him. It' what they expect.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Apr 13, 2006 12:35:14 GMT -5
Oh I believe they will thrive, I just think that with everything that has been happening within the last ten years, i.e Priest molestations, new evidence against Doctrine, that the Catholic church will fall by the way side. People may still believe in the Christian God and Jesus, but I have my doubts as to their continuing influence. Just about all of their Traditions are either based on Pagan traditions or Hebrew, and the one thing they could claim as theirs, (the death and ressurection(sp) of Jesus) is now coming under fire as a falsehood. With the knowledge that Jesus's birth is Pagan oriented and His death nothing more than an elaborite story, what chance does the church have to stay together as a whole?
Not to mention the fact that many christians are having doubts on other things, ie, gays and lesbians, abortion, women priests.
No, the Catholic church, and christians in general are going to have to take a long look at themselves and what they believe in if they want to survive into the next centure.
But that's just my oppinion.
Everyone have a Blessed Ostara, Easter, or Passover.
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Post by The Goddess Alexia on Apr 13, 2006 13:46:59 GMT -5
lol forgot I had posted in here heh. Okay, I know this is a little off topic, but I'm sure Piffy with forgive me a quick side-track. Have any of you heard of "The Shroud of Christ"? I watched a thing on PBS about it a few years ago, and had forgotten all about it until I kept up at 3 a.m. from my fever, and they were rerunning it. Anyways the story goes that it was supposed to be the shroud Christ was buried in. There is a really uber faint outline image of a man on it. When the first pictures taken of it were developed, the negatives all showed a great more detail on the face, cheekbones, mustach, ect.
Some say it is a midevil times fake. One man showed how it could have been the first photograph, involving a lense, at lest 8 hours of daylight, a body (prolly dead) and a shroud.
What do you think? Real or No? I think if it is a fake, it ws done by that cleaver little scamp Da Vinci.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Apr 13, 2006 18:44:19 GMT -5
It's fake cos Sylvia Browne says so.....
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Post by The Goddess Alexia on Apr 14, 2006 7:48:25 GMT -5
It's fake cos Sylvia Browne says so..... Sylvia has an opion on it? I didn't know that, I love her!
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Post by Mistress Rell on Apr 14, 2006 16:54:18 GMT -5
Yup, saw her on Montel and some one asked her and she said it was a fake. I never miss her when she's on Montell.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 14, 2006 18:53:31 GMT -5
Welll she's been wrong in the past and so wouldn't hang everything up on what she does say. Unless you were there we will never know for sure.
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Post by Enchant on Apr 15, 2006 10:26:34 GMT -5
I have seen her on Montel.... I am not a fan of hers. I think she is good at what she does, but to be honest I do not think she is the absolute real deal. I mean she has talent, but I don't think she does it without the ability to read people...and anyone can do this and not be psychic....
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Post by ryndell on Apr 15, 2006 14:32:23 GMT -5
There are many flaws into this Judas thing. Christ told Judas , that Judas would betray him, He never ask him too. Christ just knew the nature of man, and what someone was going to do ,before they did it. I could go and point out, several other things .
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