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Post by Enchant on Jan 7, 2006 17:45:30 GMT -5
I watched a interesting movie the other day called, The Island. Its about this private icommunity of people who are all clones, but do not know it. They were told that they were the only survivers and there memory lost was part of the fall out and so on.....Anyways, the facility was harvesting the the clones for spare body parts.
Now, after seeing it , I was wondering how people would view this. Some people think that clones are a "product" and were grown for the specific use of thier organs....what is your opinion on this? Once a human clone is done....if not already....do youthink it will be given the same rights as a born human.
Also, for you religious indiviuals, would you consider this as an act of god or gods will and would they be accepted as human or abomination?
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Post by nosferatu on Jan 7, 2006 22:31:14 GMT -5
In my opinion, a cloned human has very little difference from a natural one: the end result is the same, so why interpret them as being different? They should get the same rights as a natural human, because method-of-creation should really not be a factor in determing rights.
Now, what the facility should have done was farm stem-cells to develop into body parts. A much more acceptable and humane solution.
I haven't seen that movie, actually. Were the clones in it exact copies of real humans?
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Post by mizuhime on Jan 8, 2006 11:11:43 GMT -5
i think cloned humans should have the same rights as anyone else
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Post by Aaron on Jan 9, 2006 3:40:06 GMT -5
I watched a interesting movie the other day called, The Island. Its about this private icommunity of people who are all clones, but do not know it. They were told that they were the only survivers and there memory lost was part of the fall out and so on.....Anyways, the facility was harvesting the the clones for spare body parts. Now, after seeing it , I was wondering how people would view this. Some people think that clones are a "product" and were grown for the specific use of thier organs....what is your opinion on this? Once a human clone is done....if not already....do youthink it will be given the same rights as a born human. Also, for you religious indiviuals, would you consider this as an act of god or gods will and would they be accepted as human or abomination? have heard about it but not seen it. I don't know. I think it's inevitable. I know alot of people will think that there not human and there for no rights what so ever. They will try and de-humanize it. Like alot of people do wiht a whole aray of things. Ranging from dead bodie's to other races. In constitution a black person is three thirds a person. So using history here. but I personally think they should. But, that will be another struggle for them as well. Same for robots. |
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Post by Enchant on Jan 9, 2006 18:14:25 GMT -5
In my opinion, a cloned human has very little difference from a natural one: the end result is the same, so why interpret them as being different? They should get the same rights as a natural human, because method-of-creation should really not be a factor in determing rights. Now, what the facility should have done was farm stem-cells to develop into body parts. A much more acceptable and humane solution. I haven't seen that movie, actually. Were the clones in it exact copies of real humans? I think it was the idea of it, I also think they did full humans because they had a more successful rate of harvesting the organs, then just growing th organs. I dont want to ruin the whole movie for those who like these types, it just got me to thinking about the concept of the movie. |
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Post by Aaron on Jan 9, 2006 19:20:12 GMT -5
In my opinion, a cloned human has very little difference from a natural one: the end result is the same, so why interpret them as being different? They should get the same rights as a natural human, because method-of-creation should really not be a factor in determing rights. Now, what the facility should have done was farm stem-cells to develop into body parts. A much more acceptable and humane solution. I haven't seen that movie, actually. Were the clones in it exact copies of real humans? I think it was the idea of it, I also think they did full humans because they had a more successful rate of harvesting the organs, then just growing th organs. I dont want to ruin the whole movie for those who like these types, it just got me to thinking about the concept of the movie. was it even good? I know it's more action film then sci-fi. That is Bay's fortee. |
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Post by Enchant on Jan 14, 2006 8:13:44 GMT -5
I think it was the idea of it, I also think they did full humans because they had a more successful rate of harvesting the organs, then just growing th organs. I dont want to ruin the whole movie for those who like these types, it just got me to thinking about the concept of the movie. was it even good? I know it's more action film then sci-fi. That is Bay's fortee. It was good....I think any movie that provokes thought is bound to have some appeal....and yeah it had action, some very good action as a matter of fact.... so you do think that clones should/would have human rights? That they would not be a product regarless of thier creation. Well would this impact the relgious element saying God is the creator? And would cloning be considered putting science before god and be an adbomination? You understand what I am asking? |
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Post by Aaron on Jan 14, 2006 15:10:58 GMT -5
was it even good? I know it's more action film then sci-fi. That is Bay's fortee. It was good....I think any movie that provokes thought is bound to have some appeal....and yeah it had action, some very good action as a matter of fact.... so you do think that clones should/would have human rights? That they would not be a product regarless of thier creation. Well would this impact the relgious element saying God is the creator? And would cloning be considered putting science before god and be an adbomination? You understand what I am asking? Personally don't think anyone would actually first give them rights. I think they would hold there rights. There just a thing. There not real they don't feel..they don't think anymore then what we want them. But, here is the problem. You really think human Scientist and people wouldn't want them to be more human? For the old woman who's kids don't come to see her they can get her this robot to keep her company. Her husbands dead. He cooks, cleans, sleeps with her *not sex although I wouldn't be shocked if there are one* but he's her companion. Doesn't that sound like a person to you? Doesn't that sound like a person, and not a robot? Why would we do this? Simple because someone will want it and buy it. The Right will scream blastphamy at the top of there lungs. They will scream and scream. I'm positive and case in point look at abortion clinic's? They have a long list on line they keep active for Doctor's and nurses that have been killed. It's a murder list. They would do the same thing to these. Now imagine once more your the old lady and you have that robot and you give it a name. You have a kitten as well. while it's wierd and strange...probably even to her. Yet, it's someone ..something. She can interact with it. She can live almost like it's another person. Now it can't replace her husband but it can ease the pain of being alone and offset the lonelyness. It can be programed to give her her med's..tend to her if she needs something. -shrugs-..now think of this someone comes into the house or something and destroys that. Destroys the robot..and this person probably doesn't even have the money for a new one..nor would want one. And it's all in the name of cleaning up society putting away the evilness that is out there. Making life pure once more. Probably will happen. I can see that. Heck they may even go as so far as killing her in the name of Jesus and God. They do that to the abortion clinic doctors. Just say that with this story..while it's that a story a what if....sometimes people will take a robot that talks and such...rather then being alone. We may even love that Robot. Why? Because as we build these things we will make them more human. Why? I think it's nature. I think it's like we are showing god or Goddess or whatever that we can. The church will always condem it. Same as Cloning and let 'em. But, it won't stop. Just raise more intrest and make more money for the company. |
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Post by voltage on Jan 23, 2006 18:45:30 GMT -5
God you spoiled the movie. i hate it when this happens. anyway i dont see any clones so should we have clone rights? ROFL
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Post by Enchant on Jan 29, 2006 12:01:23 GMT -5
Should we make human clones? If so Why?
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Post by Aaron on Jan 29, 2006 12:13:00 GMT -5
I don't think it's a thing of should we or should we not. I think it's past that point now. Money is to be made and who ever does it first will make a crude load of it. But, I do see some good. We can easily give people transplants, if you want could in away probably bring back the dead. Which would be a truelly wierd and macabe thing but human nature? Why not? Done wierder things then that. I see a medical benefit to this.
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Post by voltage on Feb 6, 2006 11:54:30 GMT -5
Whats the point enchant? why should we? we already slaughter unborn children everyday so why should we create clones? body part harvesting perhaps?
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Post by jessirose on Feb 9, 2006 20:03:53 GMT -5
i think when you looking at cloning before you can judge it you have to look at it's purpose... if say it's for human organ replacement that sort of thing then to me that's definitely wrong... if an entity has a brain and can think for itself then it is human whether originating from clone or not it deserves the same rights as everyone else cause it has the same brain... same ability to make descisions and the like... my opinion on cloning would have to be mostly no... with one exception... my one exception would be not as a clone but more like a replacement... if a person or animal dies prematureally and it's surrounding humans are grief stricken or whatever... then i don't see what's wrong with a clone that would essentially bring them back... the ppl that did it however would have to have no qualms about replacing the person or thing that they loved  ~Jessi |
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Post by Enchant on Feb 9, 2006 23:15:02 GMT -5
i think when you looking at cloning before you can judge it you have to look at it's purpose... if say it's for human organ replacement that sort of thing then to me that's definitely wrong... if an entity has a brain and can think for itself then it is human whether originating from clone or not it deserves the same rights as everyone else cause it has the same brain... same ability to make descisions and the like... my opinion on cloning would have to be mostly no... with one exception... my one exception would be not as a clone but more like a replacement... if a person or animal dies prematureally and it's surrounding humans are grief stricken or whatever... then i don't see what's wrong with a clone that would essentially bring them back... the ppl that did it however would have to have no qualms about replacing the person or thing that they loved ~Jessi Interesting, Do you think that bringing a clone into the fold could truely be a replacement? Would it have the same rights as the one it was cloned from? Could it be excepted as the same way the original or will it always be the replacement? I am just curious, as we have already have birthed humans through a test tube...do yout hink it is the same or different principles in regards to thier rights? |
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Post by jessirose on Feb 10, 2006 0:19:55 GMT -5
it's a hard one i think... i think it would really depend on the people that decided to clone the object (person or animal) in the first place after they lost the real one... like that movie (i haven't seen it) crap i can't remember what it was called but it looked freaky... if the clone had all the memories of the original person up until the time they died i couldn't see why they wouldn't be the same, unless they had a change of personality because they knew they were a clone... in most cases i assume that it wouldn't work but i think that in minority it might and the family and friends would accept it as the real thing.. on the test tube issue... i've never learnt much about it, aren't test tube babies made with an egg and sperm? which would make them not a clone but a real human baby, just made in a synthetic background and not from the mother? if i'm right in what i said then i would consider a test tube baby to have all the rights and everything as a normal person |
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