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Post by Aaron on Feb 10, 2006 4:31:20 GMT -5
i think when you looking at cloning before you can judge it you have to look at it's purpose... if say it's for human organ replacement that sort of thing then to me that's definitely wrong... if an entity has a brain and can think for itself then it is human whether originating from clone or not it deserves the same rights as everyone else cause it has the same brain... same ability to make descisions and the like... my opinion on cloning would have to be mostly no... with one exception... my one exception would be not as a clone but more like a replacement... if a person or animal dies prematureally and it's surrounding humans are grief stricken or whatever... then i don't see what's wrong with a clone that would essentially bring them back... the ppl that did it however would have to have no qualms about replacing the person or thing that they loved ~Jessi Okay, I have to say that the clone's as we know it. Actually won't be looking like me or you. They'd have to have the same EXACT life that we have to be looking like us. They'd look different. So even though a person would bring them back for grief and such.....it wouldn't be Johnny. It would be Johnny but not. It's a different person. Plus have to raise the person up again -nods-. So probably die or be old by the time it's adult. Oh and well here in the States when you'r dead they erase your Social Security Card and all credit cards and all that. To save from having people use your identity. So have to name it offically something else. Then the pychonalistic person in me is screaming that if allowed to bring back Johnny they will never get over it. Even if the clon looked alike.....they wouldn't accept it. A part of the people the family would know it's a fake. That it's not. So there for would be for the wrong reason's. The people around them will not all the time accept it. Be living a lie ..what then? Toss it to the side? Kill it? Can you kill a clone? Send it back? Seem's kinda cruel. I don't know. Just thought I'd let you know that scientest have said our clone's won't be like us, nor look like us.
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Post by Enchant on Feb 10, 2006 6:26:15 GMT -5
i think when you looking at cloning before you can judge it you have to look at it's purpose... if say it's for human organ replacement that sort of thing then to me that's definitely wrong... if an entity has a brain and can think for itself then it is human whether originating from clone or not it deserves the same rights as everyone else cause it has the same brain... same ability to make descisions and the like... my opinion on cloning would have to be mostly no... with one exception... my one exception would be not as a clone but more like a replacement... if a person or animal dies prematureally and it's surrounding humans are grief stricken or whatever... then i don't see what's wrong with a clone that would essentially bring them back... the ppl that did it however would have to have no qualms about replacing the person or thing that they loved ~Jessi Okay, I have to say that the clone's as we know it. Actually won't be looking like me or you. They'd have to have the same EXACT life that we have to be looking like us. They'd look different. So even though a person would bring them back for grief and such.....it wouldn't be Johnny. It would be Johnny but not. It's a different person. Plus have to raise the person up again -nods-. So probably die or be old by the time it's adult. Oh and well here in the States when you'r dead they erase your Social Security Card and all credit cards and all that. To save from having people use your identity. So have to name it offically something else. Then the pychonalistic person in me is screaming that if allowed to bring back Johnny they will never get over it. Even if the clon looked alike.....they wouldn't accept it. A part of the people the family would know it's a fake. That it's not. So there for would be for the wrong reason's. The people around them will not all the time accept it. Be living a lie ..what then? Toss it to the side? Kill it? Can you kill a clone? Send it back? Seem's kinda cruel. I don't know. Just thought I'd let you know that scientest have said our clone's won't be like us, nor look like us. I don't know...the cloned sheep looked like the original sheep....and I honestly think they have already cloned or attempted to clone humans. All I can think of is Ripley in Alien reserection. Where she goes intot he the lad and sees several botched versions of herself...and coming to the realization of who and what she is...
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Post by elena on Feb 13, 2006 18:57:07 GMT -5
Wow, a lot of questions to answer, I'll try and remember what I can...
I would absolutely say clones are people too, the only difference is that they have the same DNA sequence as someone else. Which is really not even a difference, since we're all, what, 99% the same anyway.
Whether or not we should clone people is another story. I don't doubt that its possible, and my qualms with it aren't in any way religious. Its more a matter of do we really need to do this? The world is rather overpopulated as it is, and the population isn't shrinking anytime soon. So shouldn't we worry about cutting back the birth rate rather than producing more people?
In a purely scientific sense, I suppose replicating human life is a fantastic acheivement. But once that starts, then you can get into the whole debate over whether altering genes should be allowable in order to produce desired characterisics. (I don't mean things such as genetic disorders, I see only positive things from being able to save children and their parents from that. I mean more like... choosing to have a blonde hair blue eyed child as opposed to a dark haired one, or whatever.)
But like Aaron said, there is no guarantee that even perfect genetic clones will look like the person or animal from which they are cloned. I've read several articles about how pet cloning isn't going to bring your pet back when it dies. Obviously, any person or animal raised under different conditions (as they undoubtedly would be, due to the loss of the 'original') While an animal wouldn't be aware of the difference, a clone created to replace a person would constantly be compared to the original. Whenever they did something that was so much as ever so slightly different from ther 'original' (or the person's memory of the 'original', which would likely be favorably altered) the person who made the decision to have them cloned would doubtless be upset. And living up to a standard that someone has in their mind is impossible. Perhaps this is just on my mind since I've been reading The Great Gatsby...
Whether or not a robot is 'human' is another issue entirely. It all depends on how you define human, and the difference between intelligence and artificial intelligence. I suppose what really makes us human is the ability to feel and reason. Chains of reasoning can be reproduced by computer programs for certain situations... but do machines genuinely feel? Rather, they are simply programmed to.
Wow, this is almost amking me wnat to go back and read Isaac Asimov's robot books...
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Post by Enchant on Feb 15, 2006 6:42:37 GMT -5
Wow, a lot of questions to answer, I'll try and remember what I can... I would absolutely say clones are people too, the only difference is that they have the same DNA sequence as someone else. Which is really not even a difference, since we're all, what, 99% the same anyway. This is very true, I also think this could be a dangerous thing. Nowadays, some securities have genetic passkeys to very high facitlities. Retna scans, blood sequence, finger print and hand palm analysis. I do think medically cloning could be a break through, in genetics..and could be used immorally. I think they would be people as well. As long has they had the ability to have an known existence, to be aware... I agree here the world is very populated.But your comment I can't help but think of the movie The Fortress. While I realize life is not a movie, I do think we can learn alot from them. How would we go about cutting the birth rate? Physically fix it so a couple can not reproduce? Put the parent in jail for reproducing? That would be more problems and it wouldn't solve a thing. Would cloning really add to the worlds population enough to be noticed? I doubt that there would be a large amount...and for it to be done, you know we would have to follow the money. Well they had already mapped the human DNA strain and already have the capabitlity to do so. You know they have already been playing around with this, behind the scenes, a govermental lab someone, that doesn't exist...lol.. lol..This comment makes me think of the movie , The 6th Day. Where they had a store, that used the DNA of thier pets and clone them. I am not going to say they can't after all we known they have cloned animals before....Heck I beleive I read some where, that they are trying to clone a dinosaur. No, I am not confusing reality with Jurassic park...LMAO...its an actual fact. *just wish I knew where I read it*...Don't people watch the movies? "Nature finds a way" This would make a good discussion in its self...*makes anouther thread.* Wow, this is almost amking me wnat to go back and read Isaac Asimov's robot books...[/quote] Indeed....
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Post by Aaron on Feb 15, 2006 8:12:16 GMT -5
Yes we can locate your hair color and change it if want. Make bigger boobs...skinnier waist...take out cancer gene's. Make sure they don't drink..they eat right in a way. Don't do drugs. Nothing is left up to chance we can do it.
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Post by elena on Feb 16, 2006 2:11:53 GMT -5
You're probably right, it likely wouldn't. It just seems a little counterproductive, I guess. How would we do it? Lol, I suppose science fiction books have outlined interesting possiblities for us, none of them really practical. It would be pretty frightening to live in a society where someone could be persecuted for having too many children. But on the other hand, is having more than say, four or five children really... responsible? Eh, that's really not a good word, but maybe you get what I mean?
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Post by Aaron on Feb 16, 2006 3:37:40 GMT -5
You're probably right, it likely wouldn't. It just seems a little counterproductive, I guess. How would we do it? Lol, I suppose science fiction books have outlined interesting possiblities for us, none of them really practical. It would be pretty frightening to live in a society where someone could be persecuted for having too many children. But on the other hand, is having more than say, four or five children really... responsible? Eh, that's really not a good word, but maybe you get what I mean? You make a valid point although the only big familys around here are the hispanic faimlys. My mom is half and well her family's got 8 people. 8 kids. The reason for that is alot of hispanics and this family too were Catholic's. To wear birth control is a sin against God. I'v heard that My grandpa and grandma did a lot ot provide for the family. He even worked 3 full time jobs. How he did it I don't know.
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Post by mizuhime on Feb 23, 2006 12:05:42 GMT -5
the trouble wit that jessi is a close still goesthrough childhood, and its impossible to replicate every factor. Whare as the original may choose one path in a situation the clone may chose another.
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Post by Aaron on Feb 24, 2006 8:08:22 GMT -5
the trouble wit that jessi is a close still goesthrough childhood, and its impossible to replicate every factor. Whare as the original may choose one path in a situation the clone may chose another. True I jumped the fence one day and got a scar. The clone could have remembered the key's lol..and not gotten it.
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