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Post by Enchant on Sept 27, 2006 21:08:23 GMT -5
DO you think they are going to far? Yes, it might not be considered healthy, but wouldn't this be violating of freedom of choice? We are not so ignorant that we do not know what we are eating....Personally...if I wanted to eat healthy I would go to a health food resteraunt...I think it is ironic that the very thing our our coutry's soliers are fighting for are being taken away by the people they are taking orders from...Why have we as a people given so much power to the goverment that they are now dictating what we are to eat? Where will the lines be drawn? Three years after the city banned smoking in restaurants, health officials are talking about prohibiting something they say is almost as bad: artificial trans fatty acids. The city health department unveiled a proposal Tuesday that would bar cooks at any of the city's 24,600 food service establishments from using ingredients that contain the artery-clogging substance, commonly listed on food labels as partially hydrogenated oil. Artificial trans fats are found in some shortenings, margarine and frying oils and turn up in foods from pie crusts to french fries to doughnuts. For Full Article
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Post by jagggar on Sept 27, 2006 21:58:21 GMT -5
Wow, okay. . . .
Hmm, I've heard that only a handfull of people know the Krispy Kreme recipe, what are they gunna do about those?
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Post by elena on Sept 27, 2006 22:39:16 GMT -5
Oh gosh. I really dislike people sometimes, I want my Krispy Kremes >.>
The smoking ban I agree with, and wish it was a national law. The difference there is the harmful effects of secondhand smoke. My eating a donut is not going to have any effect on anyone nearby (except possibly a compulsion to go out and buy their own)- so its my concern, not a wretched health official.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Sept 28, 2006 7:29:19 GMT -5
I think the officials are trying to look at the bigger picture here.
The number of Type 2 diabeties has risin in the last few years and can be directly linked to weight gain and eating habits. 60% of american adults are considered overweight, weighing at least 20 pounds over what they should.
The extra strain on the health care system directly affects the taxpayer, because, if I'm not mistaken, there are many americans that don't have a heath care plan. And guess who picks up the tab for these people when they visit the hospital. You.
Although I don't agree with what they're trying to do. It is understandable as to why they're doing it. But I think it would be better if they targeted the food manufactures instead of restaurants. The majority of 'fast foods' and unhealthy ones come from them. Instead of banning fries, why don't they try to find somehting more healthy to fry them in.
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Post by Enchant on Sept 28, 2006 7:40:33 GMT -5
I think the officials are trying to look at the bigger picture here. The number of Type 2 diabeties has risin in the last few years and can be directly linked to weight gain and eating habits. 60% of american adults are considered overweight, weighing at least 20 pounds over what they should. The extra strain on the health care system directly affects the taxpayer, because, if I'm not mistaken, there are many americans that don't have a heath care plan. And guess who picks up the tab for these people when they visit the hospital. You. Although I don't agree with what they're trying to do. It is understandable as to why they're doing it. But I think it would be better if they targeted the food manufactures instead of restaurants. The majority of 'fast foods' and unhealthy ones come from them. Instead of banning fries, why don't they try to find somehting more healthy to fry them in. I think you made some valid points, however...there will always be an "for our own good" excuse....I do not know if anyone has seen 'Demolition Man' Starring Sylvestor Stallone....but when I read your comment...for some reason the big brother machine beeped in my head telling me that eating fries is violation of such and such article ....and being told, that eating fries has fat there for is not good for me and is therefore illegal....lol... If they are going to dictate what we breathe, what we eat....soon it will be when we should sleep and what we should think....I think there out to be boundries of course....but personally I think they are stepping a fine line .....on what is already a shaky bridge....instead of worrying about what we are eating...why not worry on feeding those who can't afford to eat...
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Post by Mistress Rell on Sept 28, 2006 10:44:31 GMT -5
Yeah, well if people don't start taking better control of their lives, the government may just have to do that.
Because the poor are an invisible magority thta can easily be swept under a rug or something. The are the scapegoats of society and it's the poor that rely on the employment of fast food jobs for money.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 28, 2006 11:57:09 GMT -5
Well first and formost we do have an obesity problem and a societal problem when it comes to that obesidety problem. Mainly the problem is "Why don't you diet? If you'd just diet you'd lose the pounds ..and you'd be better". Which really isn't the case. It's not as easy as dieting. God I wish it was lol. Oh and we also have a problem with really SKINNY actresse's and model's. -shrugs- don't know but we do have a problem wth body image. From being TOO fat to being TOOOOOO skinny. Look at Paris Hilton. That chick's got NOTHINg I would say that is womanly features. She's like a stick.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Sept 28, 2006 14:13:40 GMT -5
Well first and formost we do have an obesity problem and a societal problem when it comes to that obesidety problem. Mainly the problem is "Why don't you diet? If you'd just diet you'd lose the pounds ..and you'd be better". Which really isn't the case. It's not as easy as dieting. God I wish it was lol. Yeah, anyone who's ever tried to lose weight knows just how hard it is. And it is a lifestyle change no matter what you may see on t.v. It's funny that you mention going from being too skinny to to fat. I was just saying to my mother (the weight watchers councillor) that we seem to go from one extreme to the other.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 28, 2006 14:22:28 GMT -5
Well first and formost we do have an obesity problem and a societal problem when it comes to that obesidety problem. Mainly the problem is "Why don't you diet? If you'd just diet you'd lose the pounds ..and you'd be better". Which really isn't the case. It's not as easy as dieting. God I wish it was lol. Yeah, anyone who's ever tried to lose weight knows just how hard it is. And it is a lifestyle change no matter what you may see on t.v. It's funny that you mention going from being too skinny to to fat. I was just saying to my mother (the weight watchers councillor) that we seem to go from one extreme to the other. I know. I also see women like Paris hilton and guys "dieing" to be with her . And, I'm sitting back going "Why"? I'm sorry but I like hips on a woman that is sexy -nods lots- and I like boobs and a butt. I don't want a skinny twig. She doesn't have to be the supermodel types. I don't find any of those really attractive on a physical level. I just don't. But yeah it's either Extremly fat or Extremly skinny. And, it is a lifestyle change. I remember growing up and My grandmother going "ohhhh if you'd just listen to this person and this person it'll go away". Well she's always been skinny. She has a hard time maintaining 80 pounds. But, both of her children were fat. My AUnt had like 4 kids and all but 2 of those are big and fat like her. The male and the youngest girl are the one's that arn't really obese. The oldest and the second oldest are obese. I know I can't talk but still..am just pointing out that there are alot of factor's that play in effect to weight. I don't know but it's really wierd. I like a woman to be a woman to have the hips and butt and boobs and all those things. What makes a woman a woman and I don't think that it's a bad thing. As long as they aren't going to have a heart attack or some such and they are happy with themselves....more power to 'em. But, the extremes arn't helping anyone. Especially, kids who are in there teens and going through puberty and body changes. Also that I'd say a large percent of kids do have it in there gene's to be a heavy set person. I will say it is heriditary.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Sept 29, 2006 7:18:45 GMT -5
I saw something this morning that adds to this whole topic. Here in Canada, there is a comercial for 'Gormet Fries'. All it is, is cut potatoes with seasoning on it. The way the commercial depicks it, making this kind of a side-dish takes all day, so why bother to make them fresh when you can just but it pre-made! I"m sorry, but to me, pre-made food is a less healthy choice. Besides, I've made those Gormet fries before. Prep time, all of maybe 15 minutes.
The reason I brought this up is because I saw this on a kids channel. What kind of message does that send to our children? "Buy premade food! It's easier to make and better for you!"
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Post by Enchant on Sept 29, 2006 9:12:10 GMT -5
American does have an obese problem...this is fact....but a good number of those do consist of medical reason..ie, thyroids, andwhat not...and we should try and help them out...perhaps provide dietary and health asisstance...but taking away something that alot of people enjoy, because someone else doesnt have will power....isn't the way...this could have a spiral effect...like mentioned above, people jobs...and sometimes that is all they can afford to call an evening out...
I know that it doesn't help but alot of these fast food places have a healthy dietary menu...although it isn't fancy, they have made accomidations....I also think that it is a persons choice....McD isn't holding a gun to someone head saying eat my fries.....
I do think though....school lunches should be healthy......adults being overwieght is one thing...children being over weight is anouther...
My daughter is over weight and although I know it is that stage where the body is flutuating...it kills me to see the scholl seding my kid home with candy and cookies and cupcakes...and then send flyers home on the value of nutrition...lol...this in my opinion is where they need to be concentrating on....
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Post by Aaron on Sept 29, 2006 10:02:28 GMT -5
American does have an obese problem...this is fact....but a good number of those do consist of medical reason..ie, thyroids, andwhat not...and we should try and help them out...perhaps provide dietary and health asisstance...but taking away something that alot of people enjoy, because someone else doesnt have will power....isn't the way...this could have a spiral effect...like mentioned above, people jobs...and sometimes that is all they can afford to call an evening out... I know that it doesn't help but alot of these fast food places have a healthy dietary menu...although it isn't fancy, they have made accomidations....I also think that it is a persons choice....McD isn't holding a gun to someone head saying eat my fries..... I do think though....school lunches should be healthy......adults being overwieght is one thing...children being over weight is anouther... My daughter is over weight and although I know it is that stage where the body is flutuating...it kills me to see the scholl seding my kid home with candy and cookies and cupcakes...and then send flyers home on the value of nutrition...lol...this in my opinion is where they need to be concentrating on.... If it's like some of the school food I'v had if you don't eat the "fast food" you could have the worst stomach ache known to man -nods lots-. Meat and catchup was never a good thing lol. I don't know. Don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. I hardly ever have fast food. So it doesn't really bother me.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Sept 29, 2006 10:27:51 GMT -5
I think it's a sign of the times, fast food is just that--fast. And in a world where everything has to be done yesterday, getting takeout or other pre-made meals over a healthy balanced one made at home will always be preferred.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 29, 2006 11:12:43 GMT -5
I think it's a sign of the times, fast food is just that--fast. And in a world where everything has to be done yesterday, getting takeout or other pre-made meals over a healthy balanced one made at home will always be preferred. -shrugs- still can do it. The thing is though to REALLY get anyone skinny you'r going to have to get themselves to do it and not rely on others. And, you cant lose 40 pounds in a week. If you lose that much going to crash soon. But, I eat salads and drink alot of water. In fact now that I am drinking water again I'm drinking a LOT more water. Is interesting lol.
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Post by Mistress Rell on Sept 30, 2006 9:08:53 GMT -5
To lose weight you have to be prepared to make a lifestyle change. Plan and simple. You also have to balance that out with regular excersise. It drives me nuts when I see ads on t.v for products that can lose 20 pounds in one week.
That is impossible without putting yourself in the hospital.
Here's the equasion:
-to lose one pound of fat you have to burn 3,100 cal.
-you burn up to 260 cal in a 1/2 hour high impact workout.
So it takes, what, 6 hours a day doing a high impact workout to burn one pound of fat!
Also, remember, you have to decrease the amount of cal you consume during the day as well.
Trust me, like Aaron, I know what I'm talking about.
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