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Post by Aaron on Oct 31, 2006 16:31:24 GMT -5
I have to find the info but there is a new poll out there saying that at least 68 percent do not oppose nor mind Gay's actually legalizing marriage...and or giving them ummmm union's and such. Although those union's in my eyes are the same things as a marriage. But, whatever.
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Post by voltage on Oct 31, 2006 17:05:50 GMT -5
Question: Whos poll?
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Post by Aaron on Oct 31, 2006 17:17:13 GMT -5
I heard it's attached to the government  |
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Post by jagggar on Oct 31, 2006 17:26:36 GMT -5
I'd love to see the source on that when you can find it, Aaron. Hypothetically that wouldnt happen since in America such laws dont exist. If your looking for grounds for your argument, you wont find them hypothetically. You evidentally do not understand the hypothetical realm, then. You said that historically there have been "very small amount of homosexual people." I want to know how we can have accurate numbers of the homosexual population when it was CLEARLY not safe to be openly homosexual in some cultures in the past. How is homosexuality an extreme of heterosexuality? For these financial scams, could you explain to me who is scamming who? Well, you did say, "but the country as a whole isnt going to let you destroy the social statuses already established just so you can attain a new high in your sex life!" I don't see what marriage has to do with sex other than sex being a common occurance in the marriage bed. But, as we all know, you don't have to be married to have sex. So, unless marriage improves sex, I don't see how legalizing gay marriage will help anyone "attain a new high in [their] sex life." At some times it seems as though you present yourself as knowing a great deal about the legal aspect of the discussion. I'll honestly say I don't know that much about the legalese used in reguards to "gay marriage", "civil unions", and whatever other terms are used. I just want to be forewarned in case you start lugging out legal jargon. |
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Post by Aaron on Oct 31, 2006 17:30:59 GMT -5
Volt's biggest hump to get over is that even when you bring into anything "not" normal to the bedroom..to him it's EASY, and it's the way to go and what not. That ANYONE of us that are involved in whatever..just have the EASIEST time.
When that isn't very true at all. And, at times can be VERY scary doing these things. But, you get a deeper feeling out of doing that with a LOVER WHO LOVES YOU AND TAKES CARE OF YOU!
And, he'll never see it as that nor will he ever get that. To him it's just sex for sex. What he was taught.
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Post by voltage on Oct 31, 2006 20:55:18 GMT -5
I'd love to see the source on that when you can find it, Aaron. Hypothetically that wouldnt happen since in America such laws dont exist. If your looking for grounds for your argument, you wont find them hypothetically. You evidentally do not understand the hypothetical realm, then. Hypothetically if in a hypothetical realm things were hypothetical, then I would move to make your argument invalid on the hypothetical rule that hypothetical boundaries that do not somehow intrude on the non-hypothetical world are not valid in a non-hypothetical debate, hypothetically. No I cannot give you accurate numbers, I have not taken any polls going back 6,000 years and niether have you. No I cant tell you accurate numbers when homosexuality was ever viewed completely as a good thing, since there hasnt been a time yet on Earth where everyone viewed sin as good. I base this on the Bible. Heterosexuality is normal. Now you can pull that around in abstractivities all you want, but the biological fact exists: in order for a living thing to reproduce a sperm and an egg must be present. The male and female must contribute both parts in order to create life, since we are biological creatures it is viewed normal that the male pairs with the female. Homosexuality has twisted that, and if you ever read Aarons posts he makes close connection with 'Homo's', 'Alternative World' and such with sexual activity. I merely assumed that someone as Aaron, who says he is very ivolve din the subject, would be specialized enough to know exactly what he was talking about. So I take it homosexuality and the alternative world has a closer relation to sex than love. If I understand correctly there is financial gain to be had when someone says they have a spouse, for instance, if a spouse dies the other gets all possessions automatically, unless theres a will against such. If a spouse is in an accident and cannot speak for oneself, the other does. If a spouse dies, the insurance goes to....you guessed it, the other spouse. So the idea is, say your gya and get money when the other dies. Its a low position, but imm sure your aware of the effect of money on people. I personally think marraige does juice up sex a bit. I mean you made a commitment to one person, that probably has an effect. Now What I was mentioning is not to allow 'rights' to folks who just want that sex drive of being married homo's. At some times it seems as though you present yourself as knowing a great deal about the legal aspect of the discussion. I'll honestly say I don't know that much about the legalese used in reguards to "gay marriage", "civil unions", and whatever other terms are used. I just want to be forewarned in case you start lugging out legal jargon.[/quote] Read my legal jargon, I dont understand much of it either but its true that spouses get financial gain. Now you juat need to say your a spouse and whala! Aaron: Bravo! Youve displayed an increasingly greater amount of your intelligence! Keep up the good work man, after all we have to make sure those mean nostalgic christians dont run over the country!  |
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Post by jagggar on Nov 1, 2006 18:53:35 GMT -5
I don't have much time, so I wanna try and get something in order.
Aaron, are you gay?
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Post by voltage on Nov 1, 2006 22:38:32 GMT -5
I don't have much time, so I wanna try and get something in order. Aaron, are you gay? Just to clarify, my mention of the subject he is involved in is the Alternative World. Aaron refuses to recognize gays as seperate from that. |
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Post by jagggar on Nov 1, 2006 22:59:36 GMT -5
Even if Aaron refuses to, it does not mean I must automatically agree.
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Post by Aaron on Nov 5, 2006 2:31:21 GMT -5
I don't have much time, so I wanna try and get something in order. Aaron, are you gay? Wrong lifestyle. And nope not Bi. Been around gays and lesbians and bi's. I'v been around lots of people. As Volt has put it in a more negative light people that are I think creative in nature are more open to there sexuality and there way of living. More open to having things that arn't "traditional". Although, it's not to slam "traditional". I enjoy and like being the boyfriend/lover to Mine. Oh and also too keep in mind my mom is an artists. My dad did music on the side. So I like to think and knowing how my dad was and how my mom is...I'd probably say that I'v been around lots of different type of people. Ummm the very notion of having a Alternative lifestyle is to be one that is differ from the norm. At least I think that is if you took both dictionary means. Oh dang I shouldn't have said that. Volt just admit that Gays, lesbians, and bi's are part of the straight culutre Wow. I think I hear the Devil singing and the demon's of hell coming out of the pits. Wow. Never thought I'd see the day. Umm but all kidding aside. Gays, lesbian's and bi's and my group were all alternative. Were not part of the norm. Although we do deserver just protection of the law. Even though the law's not exactly on my side in some regards. But, we do deserve some protection and we do deserve some rights that a more "Vanilla" or "Normal" couple would have. |
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Post by jagggar on Nov 7, 2006 17:53:47 GMT -5
Back to the financial scam issue. . . If I understand correctly there is financial gain to be had when someone says they have a spouse, for instance, if a spouse dies the other gets all possessions automatically, unless theres a will against such. If a spouse is in an accident and cannot speak for oneself, the other does. If a spouse dies, the insurance goes to....you guessed it, the other spouse. So the idea is, say your gya and get money when the other dies. Its a low position, but imm sure your aware of the effect of money on people. So you're saying the scammer is one person in the couple and the person scammed is the other person? |
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Post by Aaron on Nov 7, 2006 19:57:06 GMT -5
Back to the financial scam issue. . . If I understand correctly there is financial gain to be had when someone says they have a spouse, for instance, if a spouse dies the other gets all possessions automatically, unless theres a will against such. If a spouse is in an accident and cannot speak for oneself, the other does. If a spouse dies, the insurance goes to....you guessed it, the other spouse. So the idea is, say your gya and get money when the other dies. Its a low position, but imm sure your aware of the effect of money on people. So you're saying the scammer is one person in the couple and the person scammed is the other person? That also doesn't make one ounce of sense since really he's saying that straight people scam too. Since this is something that straight married folks' have too. So I guess if his mom or his dad died they would in turn be scamming the people out of money. That isn't any way shape or form a scam. |
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Post by dogbite on Jan 17, 2007 15:07:43 GMT -5
the reason why they havnt allowed gay marriage thus yet is because its against what they believe god believed and its also written weirdly in the constitution i believe but i believe if 2 people love eachother to give eachother to eachother for their complete life then yes they should be able to get married no ifs ands or buts about it
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Post by Aaron on Jan 18, 2007 20:15:05 GMT -5
the reason why they havnt allowed gay marriage thus yet is because its against what they believe god believed and its also written weirdly in the constitution i believe but i believe if 2 people love eachother to give eachother to eachother for their complete life then yes they should be able to get married no ifs ands or buts about it There actually isn't anything in the constitution stating anything about marriage. As far as the sexe's go. It's the Conservatives/Republican's that want to put it there. Some states have done it and some haven't. -shrugs- With in the next 20-30 years it'll happen. This bout of Conservatism isn't going to last very long. We as a society get REALLY Out there and then we get really tight on how things are. Then we get lose again -shrugs-. |
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Post by heavyweaponsmaster on Jan 18, 2007 21:42:49 GMT -5
Im against the whole gay marrage thingy. Im paranoid when IM around gay people in life. Although I will admit, I became good friends with a gay guy but at the time I didnt know he was gay. I didnt see the signs untill later on. I was woundering why the ladies would always talk to him more and all but I didnt care. Then one day he came up to me and we where talking and somewhere throughout the conversation he told me he's gay and I was shocked. He showed me that not all gay people are frisky, and thats how I always had thought gays where.
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